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India: Defending Freedom of Speech

The Indian Blogosphere has been buzzing over the weekend with posts and comments surrounding a controversial educational institute. Vantage Point, a blog run by Gaurav Sabnis was sent an email by this said institute to remove any posts that questioned the claims of the institute. The original article that inspired posts on blog can be read at JAM Magazine here. One of the driving forces behind this magazine, Rashmi Bansal of Youth Curry was at the receiving end of malicious anonymous comments. Many blogs including Sambhar Mafia and Desi Pundit have been following the developments closely.

A lot of Indian blogs have been echoing this call for support. The latest development has been that Gaurav Sabnis has quit his job with IBM. He says -

…I have resigned from IBM. The decision is entirely my own and I was not asked by IBM to resign, nor was I pressured in any manner by any executive from IBM. I took the decision in view of some really bizarre threats that were apparently made by IIPM to IBM…

In the same post he puts forward a strong case for his previous post and why he stands by what he said in his blog -

…my intention to stand by my posts, since I believe in freedom of speech. I have written nothing that can be thought of as libel. IIPM is an organiation in free India which makes some claims in its advertisements. What I did was exercise my right as a citizen, by responding to the information contained…

This isn't the first instance of Indian bloggers facing the wrath of corporate houses and big organisations, but it brings us back to the same question – In a country whose USP is the Biggest Democracy, where has the Right to Free Speech disappeared? Is it easier to bully a blogger than a magazine or a Main Stream Media publication? Does a blogger have any rights?

69 comments

  • Patrix

    I hope this issue is taken up by Global Voices and spread throughout the international blogosphere. Limiting freedom of speech in a democratic country is indeed shameful.

  • [...] Update#2: The issue goes international. Neha has written about it on Global Voices. [...]

  • Kudos to Gaurav and Global Voice Online for giving it coverage.

  • Mike

    Wow! I just checked some of the posts. This institute seems to be hurting it’s own reputation!?! That’s crazy. The best educational institutes didn’t get famous because of foul mouthed students!

    But I guess Asia is all the same. What China and Singapore are doing to their bloggers, I wouldn’t be surprised if your government did the same. Europe and America are so much better for freedom. I mean if ppl have to quit for such small things.. it really is the pits!

  • Patrix

    I hate to admit it but freedom of speech in India (repurcussions, not the law) is not much different from China or Singapore. What pains me more is that we call ourselves the world’s largest democracy when clearly such blatant violations go unnoticed.

  • Shahid

    Ya know Mike maybe right. Think about it. It’ snot like the Indian Government is involved is it? (I didn’t see anything about the Government here) Lenovo and IBM (Figure out the Chinese connection!).

    As the companies become more and more global, they carry their “ideologies” with them. Perhaps a more committed American firm may have backed sabnis? On the other hand, the first person to get duced was an American, wasn’t she?

  • Thanks for picking up the issue.

  • IIPM have lost their first ever Public Relations fiasco. Their heavy arm twisting of Gaurav and threat tactics will have to simply go.

    Anybody knows Rather Gate? This one is next!

  • [...] This issue has also been picked up by Global Voices Online, who write: This isn’t the first instance of Indian bloggers facing the wrath of corporate houses and big organisations, but it brings us back to the same question – In a country whose USP is the Biggest Democracy, where has the Right to Free Speech disappeared? Is it easier to bully a blogger than a magazine or a Main Stream Media publication? Does a blogger have any rights? [...]

  • Patrix

    FYI, IBM or Lenovo did NOT force Gaurav to quit. He left on his own accord. Let us not blame the wrong people here.

  • @Mike and @Neha: The situation here is very different from what happened in Singapore where the govt was directly involved. As of now, there is no evidence that the Indian govt believes in suppressing free speech since the govt isn’t involved in any way! If and when this issue goes to the courts, the decision handed out there will be a metric of how free India really is.

  • This whole saga merely reflects the problems a free society faces when there is poor enforcement. India HAS freedom of speech, a strong media, a thriving economy, a strong legal system, a high level of education and mobility, BUT very weak enforcement and systems.

    The tragedy of this whole episode is that nothing explicitly illegal happened. Two bloggers exposed some fake claims. The institution responded first by mud slinging (which is common, and happens everywhere), and then, in a curious and perverted example of buyer power, threatened the employer of the blogger that they would burn the company’s laptops in public!

    Frankly speaking, at this stage, I wonder what would have happened if IBM had called their bluff. I mean, seriously, the sale of the IBM laptops had been carried out, the laptops are the property of IIPM as such, if they want to burn them, let them! Their loss!

    As for the ensuing publicity, well, it would have just exposed IIPM further.

    It is unfortunate that Gaurav chose to quit and not precipitate this issue further, and that speaks highly of him, and his commitment to not see IBM suffer adverse publicity on his account, but if he had stuck to his guns, and IBM had backed him (as it seems they were), they would have struck a very, very powerful blow against the rule-of-the-jungle mentality that has accompanied India’s growing market economy.

    First the NDA government with Tehelka, and now this. Sad.

  • [...] A quick round-up of all posts about the stupid move of IIPM, their fake blogs and lewd comments and Gaurav’s stunning but right move. Just to keep the topic alive and ensure that prospective students aren’t hoodwinked by IIPM’s false advertising and arm-twisting. – Firstly, IIPM reacts badly to an expose of IIPM’s false claims and misleading advertisements – Gaurav is threatened with a lawsuit for the sole reason that he linked to the Jam article. – Fake blogs crop up overnight and attack/libel Rashmi Bansal – Bad move #1 by IIPM/its misguided supporters – The Blogosphere wakes up, takes up the issue. Bewarned folks. You don’t get away easily when you resort to cheap and foolhardy tricks – IIPM decided to arm-twist IBM/Lenovo, Gaurav’s Employer – Stupid Move #1 IIPM – IBM doesn’t give in to the Arm twisting, lets Gaurav decide to do what he wants. – Gaurav resigns voluntarily from his job. Bravo! Here’s a guy who can stand his point. – The issue explodes across the web. Michael Higgins, Instapundit, Global Voices and Om Malik take it up. Needless to say, Desipundit, the Acorn, Amit Varma, Ravikiran and other Indian bloggers are behind Gaurav all the way. [...]

  • Vivek Narayanan

    I am very impressed by Gaurav Sabnis and JAM magazine for not reacting to the absurd and menacing tactics of IIPM; in fact, their strategy only seems to provide more evidence of what seems to be a bizarre, secretive, fraudulent and cult-like organisation. I hope they go down, as a lesson to other similar organisations. This issue should not be laid to rest until they are pressed to formally respond to each of the points in JAM magazine, and also issue a formal apology.

    One question: why not issue a counter-suit on behalf of the bloggers? If Gaurav has had to resign from his job, it should be for a lot of money…

  • IIPM, the crap institute

    The IIPM’s according to this man are going to pose a serious challenge to the IIM’s in a few years time. If you really believe him and are thinking of getting admitted to his institute, well think again. According to Rashmi of Youth Curry,…

  • Blogosphere rocks! More power to the people; and less to the fraudsters and blackmailers.

  • Tedd McHenry

    When the supreme court in Canada ruled in favour of restricting tobacco advertising, on a free-speech challenge, they argued, in essence, that speech was free so long as it remained ineffective. I think we’re going to see more of those kinds of rulings now that the internet has made it possible for a lone individual’s speech to become convincing to a large number of people. General support for free speech has always been lukewarm, and conditional on that speech either coming from known sources or having limited effectiveness.

  • This is a classic story of a “dubious” education institute with loads of cash, violating an individual’s First Amendment rights, all the while “Big Blue”, conviniently chooses to look the other way.

  • Chris[topher] Chittleborough

    And now this story goes around the world … I’m living on a farm in rural Australia, and I found about it via an American (Glenn Reynolds,
    the “Instapundit”).

    I would like to complement and congratulate Gaurav Sabnis not only for this brave decision but also for the way he announced it.

  • Chris[topher] Chittleborough

    Woops — that should be compliment, not complement.

  • Ben

    Let’s be clear here: IBM leaning on their employee is sleazy, but I suspect it’s likely not illegal (any experts on Indian employment law want to weigh in?). It most certainly isn’t a First Amendment/Free Speech issue, as the government is not the one attempting to limit speech.

  • Jo

    Thanks for the Global Voices coverage.

  • Ranjeet

    Bit of a Johnny come lately. Never heard of IIPM. Reading thru the content here – paints a very obnoxious picture of the place. Any news on whether the Indian print media is taking up the cause?

  • Robert Modean

    It’s interesting to see the anti-corporate warriors come out and attack IBM over this. Amit, Ben – I think you’d both benefit from actually reading the entire post of Gaurav’s – he wasn’t leaned on and IBM didn’t look the other way while his Article 19 (same as our 1st Amendment) rights were quashed. He chose to leave IBM after it became clear to him that they (IBM) were going to be hurt by bad publicity if he didn’t do something to appease IIPM.

    Gaurav said: The second thing dear to me is IBM’s well-being. IBM has been a good employer to me. I have no complaints about them. Even in light of these events, they did not pressurise me to go against my principles and hush the matter up. Yet, IBM was being dragged into this unnecessarily. It was being made a target of bizarre pressure tactics. If even one Thinkpad laptop was actually burnt, it would cause a lot of bad press and nuisance for IBM. So I did not want IBM’s well-being to be compromised in any way.

    What IIPM did and is doing is wrong, and what Gaurav has done is noble and laudable. However it’s ironic that those attacking IBM because of it’s relationship to both parties are actually doing what Guarav didn’t want. Maybe ironic wasn’t the word I wanted, pathetic fits better.

  • Rahul

    Err.. there is no free speech issue here, so lets not get too excited.

    Any private company can tell its employees to take a hike if they publish something the company disagrees with. There is nothing ethically wrong with refusing to do business with anybody for any reason.

    The right to free speech is violated when the GOVERNMENT is using COERCION to supress its CITIZEN’S opinions. On the other hand, VOLUNTARY business transacations can certainly include terminations of contracts, provided there is no breach involved.

    Of course, its quite silly, and poor business sense for a company to attempt deception (like IIPM), especially in the age of the internet. And for that, IIPM will certainly pay a price, due to this publicity alone.

    HOWEVER, it seems to me that Sabnis is being a bit of a martyr, since IBM did not ask him to resign.

    So frankly, I don’t know what the fuss is all about.

  • I.G.

    Its not about IBM leaning on Gaurav (which, incidentally it did not)
    Its not about Sabnis being a martyr. (hmm, re-read his blog at this point and he certainly doesn’t sound like one)

    But it certainly is about Free Speech and the government isnt even here yet. Its about an organization (a h(o?)allowed educational institution, no less) taking on an individual for having expressed his personal opinion on his own website.

    And the rate the legal notices are being served up (one more blogger on the issue has recieved them), it looks like a banquet out here!
    But yes, terrible business sense and worse terrible, terrible publicity.

  • Freedom of speech isn’t limited to wrestling with government regulations, but being able to have and to express an opinion in an environment charged with power. The power could be sourced from culture, history, money, trade, resource-control. Traditionally the government has represented all these power exchanges, but even outside the orbit of the government there are forces that control our rights.

    At the rate of the law suits arriving in people’s boxes, it won’t be long before the government will have to take a stand.

  • do harvard profs really teach at IIPM? let alone teach do they even know about an insititue called IIPM? I guess even Harvard should sue IIPM for misusing their name!!

  • aztech(desi Injun)

    Response to Robert MOdean…
    dude, as you’re defending the big-blue vigorously,lets face a few facts. Just answer yes/no to these questions
    1. My personal stuff is different from my professional work
    2. The company i work for should merely regulate what i do in my professional(work time) life/only in my work time
    3. If a company calls me regarding something…it means that it is serious about influencing me.

    lets play a game. If your answers to the above are ALL “YES” …you are a person who loves freedom (of speech etc etc) & who is logical..lets not talk about the situation where you don’t have ALL “yes’”

    Why do you think IBM officials called up Gaurav? to invite him to a social gathering ? OR perhaps they were SUBTLY trying to convey something ( T H R E A T)

    IIPM is not even worth discussing. The more this institute gets discussed, the more media mileage the media crazy director of the institute gets.

  • Neha, in writing this post– why have you referred to IIPM as “this” institute? Why not publish it’s name?

    IIPM has lost any little respect it held previously. That is, if it had any to begin with.

  • Sriram

    I dont think this Issue needs to be taken Seriously… Guys in IIPM must be joking when they say are suing Gaurav for his article on IIPM …

    Gaurav – I dont think has done smart move by quitting his Job at IBM !!!

    Now Seriously I think IBM should not be there in this picture at all … they have nothing to do in this whole Issue !!!

  • I think somewhere in this comments we lost the essence… IBM does NOT come into the picture at all. In fact they stood by Gaurav and gave him the option of not to resign. We need to look at the threatening notice sent by IIPM. Its absolute crap!!! I can vouch that all B-School Students who are not in IIPM, know that it is a fraud institute who is trying to hit it big through illegal means.

  • [...] Desi Pundit carries a complete update of the IIPM controversy. The Main Stream Media has started covering the issue. [...]

  • Karthik

    Hi Jinal,

    The reason why you should not use the name of the “this” institute is to deny them the FREE publicity they are getting. We all know what “this institute” is so let it remain just that.

    Karthik

  • Mila

    Hi Gaurav,

    I really feel proud of you! What you’ve done is really commendable – very rarely such a young mind can take such a significant moral stance against the filthy tricks of IIPM.

    I’m really sorry that you had to loose your much deserved job at IBM. But let me tell you, if you’ve made it to IBM you’d make it to another place of equal repute in no time, so please don’t get disheartened…the facts about IIPM is spreading far and wide as I speak.

    I leave outside of India. My brother goes to IIPM. We all have fallen victim to the fraudulent practices of IIPM.

    The place simply sucks; it induldges in horrendously fraudulent/manipulative tactics to rip every student off – its every action is telltale of that. It’s excruciatingly painful to see how thousands of students year in and year out fall prey to their preposterous claims.

    So my piece of advise is to all the potential MBA seekers – pleaaaaaase.. dont waste yours and/or your near/dear one’s hard-earned money which would eventually end up in con artist, Arindam Chaudhuri’s bank balance or in the day to today running of his or his cohort’s lavish life style.

    Best regards and good luck,

    Mila

    Please feel free to pass/post my mail to every one around to warn the potential MBA seekers at IIPM.

  • The bottom line of this episode is ‘freedom of expression’ and ‘speech’ which cannot be suppressed by anyone…the Indian Government should be as fast as the American Govt in bringing in laws as and when something new comes out as a result of the fast evolving technology…there must be laws governing the freedom of speech be it in any form. As far as I think, blogging is an offshoot of today’s journalism coupled with individualism and it deserves the same privileges the media enjoy. It is high time for the Indian Govt. to take notice of such things and bring in a law that would help the freedom of bloggers to prevail in a bureaucratic environment.

  • Kudos Gaurav, we really need to think about big labels Institutes which just have that label ( with empty shops)…

    See some interesting thoughts at http://siliconverse.com/blog/?p=27

  • [...] Our South Asia editor at Global Voices, Neha Viswanathan, has been doing a terrific job of following the story as well, and we’ll continue to follow this issue as it heads towards resolution. [...]

  • My iota of support to Gaurav. Guys , drag the IIPM through coals for this snottiness.

  • Vivek

    Great work by Gaurav and all the guys who made this issue public. If IIPM thought that Gaurav was wrong, they should prove it more by action by showing what they really are instead of sending legal notices. But above all things, I am surprised by IBM’s response. IBM should have backed Gaurav and not let him resign AT ALL. If this were to happen here in the US, I’m pretty sure that IBM would have stood by its employee. Surprising that the bosses in IBM India did not think of that. Infact, this would have boosted IBM’s reputation.

    I think IIPM should first apologize for what they did and if they think that Gaurav’s claim is biased, they should disprove it the right way and not go the wrong route they have taken. Secondly, IBM should immediately offer Gaurav a job and stand by his side.

  • Sriram

    Gaurav is yet another victim of “this institute” – apart from the thousands of others ( read “past, current or future Students” who are preyed upon by some outrageous blatant lying in the form of full page advertisements in leading Indian dailies).

    This whole episode just shows “This Institute”‘s character.

    Apart from this rogue institute – Also sad to note is how a powerful corporate entity can subtly arm twist other corporate entities to toe its line – be it right or wrong. I am sure “this institute” would carry out similar threats ( like the ones they carrid out on IBM) on newspapers carrying articles covering this episode as they are one of the largest advertisers in the education sector in india.

    I am atleast glad for this wonderful medium (Read: The internet in its several avtars – blogs, chats, etc.) where these things can get exposed. But this whole incident is threatening this very medium of free expression – these rogue corporates( read “This Institute” hopefully there are far and few in this world) are attempting at dominating and intimidating people exercising their opinion in this medium. Let this issue not drop silently – This is not to fight Gaurav’s battle or Rasmi’s or someone else’s – It is to protect what I believe is a person’s freedom of expression and this wonderful platform( Read : the Internet)that enables this.

    Fellow netizens please spare no effort in according this as much publicity as it can get so as to expose
    1) The Rogue institute
    2) let the world know arm twisting tactics of this kind doesent go unnoticed

    PS: I refer to ” this Institute” and not name them as I am sure all readers know who is being referred to and in my opinion their very name sounds like an expletive to me so I wouldnt like to make a mention of it.

  • vineet rai

    still wondering what the fuss is all about??? A person decided to criticise an institute, the insti filed a case, the person decided to quit from his company thinking the company is facing trouble and all with personal choices.

    So where is the problem. IF IIPM is fake and fraud it would get proven in the court where they filed the case, why are we going ballastic about the Indian government and right of free speech!!!!

    I think IIPM does have a right to sue Gaurav if it believe about not being a fraud insti, and Gaurav should do the same as well ( may be all the bloggers can fund him to do that

    how about that?

  • Sandeep Rao

    It is my belief that the entire issue displays a democracy in action. JAM had executed a considerable expose on IIPM, which virtually every newspaper-reading India is well aware of, thanks to their lavish full-page spreads extolling the salient features of their institute.

    JAM and Gaurav have not backed down from their positions primarily beacuse there were no counterpoints offered in response to their statements. The absence of counterpoints would indicate either :

    1. That the expose was completely grounded in reality and is an eye-opener to every MBA aspirant in India
    2. IIPM, the accused, deign not to dignify a response.

    But responses flurried aplenty. “Legal” notices were issued by the accused, anonymous bloggers raised completely irrelevant doubts about the editor of JAM, false fronts were launched to repaint Gaurav’s image as an innocent student of IIPM wholly unaware of the issue developing and threats of demonstrations were issued to the organization Gaurav works for.

    Blackmail tactics can be effective in certain circumstances. But I think IIPM’s bosses are too muddled up to have even considered issuing threats to JAM and IBM (the latter solely because Gaurav was an employee of IBM), especially considering their inability to back up their allegedly spurious claims with the requisite facts.

    Democracy is in action here and the bad guys (read guys / entities like IIPM) have and will continue to take a beating every time they believe they can subvert the voice of reason in a democracy.

  • Totally support JamMag and Gaurav on this one. Its hilarious on IIPM’s part to be pursuing this further and they are making a joke of themselves now!
    Sad to see Gaurav had to resign though!

    My supporting entry at : http://www.desihub.com/blog/page/mihir/20051013#indian_blogosphere_heating_up

    -mihir

  • Phani

    I saw an IIPM clarification in Times of India, Bangalore edition dated 26 Oct 2005. Is this a new twist to the story?

  • shek

    A hope that someone files a Public Litigation against the misleading advertisements by few B-schools, that may let a court directive asking the schools to put forward the details clearly (e.g mentioning their ranks + YEAR OF RANKING), recruiters + YEAR OF VISIT , recognition etc.

    This thought comes from the fact that in Indian Community where the average age for a person going for MBA is much lower than their counterparts in rest of the world (mostly freshers, or entry level professionals), the chance of them getting lured by the false claims are much more.

    Whatever happened this thing is for sure that IIPM is digging its own grave

    claiming 300 Cr $ 67 million in losses .. ;)..

    and hiring pple to write on counter blogs maligning those involved (an idea/ who knows the truth).

    It would be best if someone already studying @ IIPM comes up with the truth about the institution. But that kind of courage can happen with only few, as frankly I am not sure what whether I would have, after paying around 500,000 Rs already and watching the reaction of institute against the bloggers.

    Rest aside whatever happens, for all those who followed the news this has come as an eye opener.

    cheers for letting it happen gaurav and I seriously feel sorry for whatever happend between you and lenovo. Your comments towards the incident clearly shows the kind of personality you have and I really appreciate your integrity.

  • I AM A IIPM STUDENT. DUE TO FEAR OF RUINING MY CAREER I AM NOT GIVING EMAIL.LET ME GIVE U FACTS

    1)IIPM DOES HAVE SOME FANCY FACILITIES IN DELHI CAMPUS. BUT IT IS MORE OF SHOW.PLACEMENTS ARE 30-40% AND THEY ARE IN SOME GOOD COMPANIES BUT WITH VERY LOW SALARIES. THEY ARE TAKEN FOR VV LOW SALARIES IN LOW PROFILE JOBS LIKE CLERICAL AND SALESMA.
    2)WHILE JOINING STUDENTS ARE TOLD THAT THE INSTITUTE IS LIKE IIMS.EXCEPT FOR THE SIMILARITY IN NAME THERE IS NOTHING U CAN COMPARE WITH ANY GOOD BSCHOOL LEAVE IIMS
    3)LET ME ALSO SAY THAT ARINDAM CHAUDARY SEMINARS ARE QUITE GOOD.SOME FACULTY ARE GOOD BUT THEIR QUALIFACTION IS ALL FROM IIPM WHICH IS OBVIOUSELY QUESTIONABLE/
    4)THE STUDENTS ARE AVERAGE AND WE ARE WORTH TO GET A PLACEMENT IN ATLEAT SOME COMPANIES.THE QUALITY IS NOT THE WORST.IT IS FAR BETTER THAN WORST

  • I AM A IIPM STUDENT. I AM TIRED OF HEARING ALL NASTY COMMENTS ABOUT IIPM.BUT THE TRUTH IS DIFFERENT

    1)IT IS ALLEGED THAT IIPM HAS NO APPROVAL.THE FACT IS WE NEED NOT NEED APP4ROVAL.WHAT WE TEACH TODAY OTHERS ADOPT TOMMOROW
    2)IT IS GENERALLY THOUHT THAT PERSONS WHO CLEAR CATS OR ARE GOOD INACADEMICS ARE GOOD MANAGERS.THE FACT IS PERSONS WHO DO NOT CLEAR CATS OR WHO ARE NOT BOOK WORMS ARE GOOD MANAGERS. DHEERBHAI ANMBANI STUDIED ONLY TILL 8 TH.IIPM TEACHES US EXACTLY THAT.
    3)IT IS TRUE THAT ANYBODY CAN GET ADMISSIONS IN IIPM BUT THE FACT IS THAT IIPM BELIEVES THAT EVERY STUDENT HAS OT A HIDDEN POTENTIAL.IIPM TAPS THIS HIDDEN TALENT WHICH NO IIM DOES. THEY INSIST ON CAT SCORE.FOOLISH PEOPLE WHO LOOK AT CAT SCORE.
    4) IT IS ALLEGED THAT STUDENTS DO NOT GET PLACEMENTS. THE FACT IS THAT IN IIPM THEY TEACH US TO BE ENTERPRENAURS OR EMPLOYERS.WE DARE TO EMPLY IIMS.
    5)IT IS ALLEGED THAT STUDENTS TAKE UP SALESMAN JOBS.THE FACT IS THAT IIPM STUDENTS TAKE UP THOSE JOBS TO UNDERSTAND GRASSROOT BUISINESS AND AGAIN THIS IS NOT TAUGHT IN IIMS.
    I HOPE EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS
    THE WORTH
    AND DONT U DARE TO CRITIZE IIPM THE BEST IN THE WORLD.

  • rajesh

    iipm is the worst institutes i have seen ever in life..i think gaurav is 100 percent right.

  • [...] I may be indulging in my usual silliness, but this is no laughing matter. This is more of an issue to be hopping raving mad about. I am sure, most of you have already heard of the recent appalling developments in the blog world about the IIPM matter. I could write an irate rant about it, but there are others who have said it much better. For those of you just catching up, Amit has a complete roundup of happenings, Neha takes it international at Global Voices, and our folks at DesiPundit are tracking all updates. [...]

  • guessedright

    Hi All,

    I am following this issue for some time…Hats off to Gaurav…I wonder why IIPM is not coming up with statistics instead of some cheap stunts….just an wild thought how about filling a petition in the court of law, asking them to come up statistic justifying their claim…hope Mr. Saxena would be kind enough to respond to them…after all IIPM cant sue justice dept..any comments??? Though Professor Choudhuri is a great thinker I would certainly like to know his qualification…

  • Mrinal

    Dear criticizers do you know about india or the corporate world or the politics?
    No you don’t have any idea about ENTERPRENAURSHIP or the above mention points.I AM A MOST THANKFUL STUDENT OF IIPM & THANKFUL TO ARINDAM SIR WHO GAVE ME NEW LIFE NEW VISION OF LIFE,WHO OPEND MY EYES INFRONT OF THIS COMPETITIVE WORLD.”"”"”"THANK YOU SO MUCH SIR”"”"”".I AM THANK FUL TO ALL TEACHERS WHO TAUGHT ME OR TILL TEACHES ME IN MY PROFESSIONAL MBA COURSE,REMEMBER IT I AM AFINAL YEAR STUDENT OF IIPM.SO DEAR FRIENDS I AM WITH THIS WORLD CLASS PEOPLE LAST 1.5 YEARS IN THIS PERIOD I WENT MY HOME TOWN ONLY 1 TIMES LAST NEWYEAR & MAX.TIME I SPENT IN MY INSTITUTE.BELIEVE ME THE CLASS IN HERE IN INDIA THROUGH A TRULY BENGALI MAN THROUGH HIS VISION & MISSION.IIM’S & SOME OTHER INSTITUTE THE MOST TRUSTED NAME IN INDIA IN MBA PROGRAMME?I NEVER BELIEVE ON THAT BECAUSE THESE INSTITUTES ARE REALLY GIVES SOME INPUT TO THE SOCIETY????? THROUGH THE GOVT.FUND & FACILITIES.

    ##——I PERSONALLY MATE WITH —-##
    1)MR.SUNIL BHARATI MITTAL(AIR TEL CHIEF)2)MR.SUNIL KANT MUNJAL(HERO GROUP)3)MR.RAHUL BAJAJ 4)Y.C.DEVESWAR(ITC CHAIRMAN)5)MR.MONTEK SINGH ALUWALIA(PLLANNING COMMISSION CHAIRMAN)6)MR.SCOTT BAYMAN(GE CEO) AND MANY MORE LIKE SISHER PRIADARSHI(IAS)CABINET SECRATARIATE NOW HE IS IN WTO(GENEVA) LAST WEEK I SPOKE AGAIN TO HIM FROM DELHI…
    AS A STUDENT I AM ABLE TO SPEAK INFRONT OF THEM BECAUSE I AM A PROUD STUDENT OF INDIAN INSTITUTE OF PLANNING & MANAGEMENT.

    NO BODY KNOWS THE TRUTH BECAUSE ALL ARE FAKE & FRAUD WHO WILL TELL THE TRUTH????
    OK IN EVEY COMPANY,INSTITUTIONS,BIGMNC’S HAVE THERE OWN BUSINESS DEAL MY INSTITUTE DONE SOME DEAL WITH IBM.MR.GOURAV DID’NT GET BULK SOME COMMISSION FROM IBM SO HE THROWN ALL BAD INVISIBLE COMMENTS infront of media.
    WHATEVER WE LEARN OTHER ADOPT TOMORROW ITS 500% TRUE.I CAME FROM SMALL TOWN BUT NOW I AM BE A CORPORATE MAN I AM NOT A STUDENT FROM IIM OR IIT YES GOVT.OF INDIA’S CONCERN…THEY HAVE HUGE AMOUNT OF LAND WITHOUT PROPER UTILIZATION.
    ALL STARS OF INDIA STUDIES THERE WITH HUGE INFRUSTRUCTURE.WE ARE NOT GETTING MONEY FROM THE GOVENMENT, WITH OUT GETTING MONEY.
    WE ARE CONTRIBUTING SOME INPUT TO THE ECONOMY & THE GDP.IIM STUDENTS ARE THINKINK ABOUT OUR POOR INDIAN??THEY FLY FROM HERE TO USA BUT WE THINK ABOUT THEM BELIEVE ME MR.DHIRUBHAI AMBANI,MR.SUBROTO ROY (SAHARA GROUP CHAIRMAN)NOT PASS OUT FROM IIM & I AM IIPM’ST I WILL PROVE THAT I AM THE BEST. I AM REALLY SORROFUL ABOUT SOME BAD COMMENTS ABOUT MY INSTITUTE.
    I AM THE BRAND I KNOW HOW TO PROMOTE MYSELF I LOVE MY I INSTITUTE SHE IS MY MOTHER WHO PROVIDES ME WRITE EDUCATION IN WRITE TIME FOR MY FUTURE GOAL………….THE TEAM IIPM UNSTOPABBLE I AM SURE THE DEVILS & THE BAD COMMENTERS OF IIPM SHULD UNDERSTAND MY TRUE THOUGHTS PLEASE STOPS WRITING COMMENTS……….***DARE TO THINK BEYOND***

    IIPM WORLD CLASS,I AM REALLY THANKFULL TO THE TOP & MIDDLE MANAGEMENT AS A PRIVATE INSTITUTE IN THIS COUNTRY.WE ARE THE BEST AS A STUDENT OF IIPM I AM THE BEST. MARKS IS NOT THE MATTER IN BUSINESS OR IN COTPORATE.INTELLECTUALITY,MANAGERIAL CAPACITY,LEADERSHIP QUALITY IS NECESSERY & WE KNOW THAT.

    WISH YOU ALL THE BEST FROM YOUR IIM CAREER & IBM CAREER.

  • Subbarao Seethamsetty

    An argument for “Free Speech”. From the year 1644, John Milton, Aeropagitica. Gaurav, wish you all the best and know you have some of the best minds, past and present, and among others, john Milton and Arundhati Roy, on your side. Aeropagitica may take days to read, but well worth it.

    http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~rbear/areopagitica.html

  • Latha

    The comments of the students of IIPM are self revelatory. Look at their english and their expression.

    The whole event reveals the power of collectivity in a space like the net.

    The whole story has a lesson for all of us. Do not get mislead by peronalities who depend on advertisements and cheap distortion of facts and make them icons.In India we love adulation. We never check them out critically.

    An educational institution resorting to distort facts and have a self perception of being great thought how could some small fries take them on. But they were proven wrong.

  • srinivasan

    wheather it is iipm or gourav, why arent we thinking about iim alumini who r fleeing to US rather than being in india.why dont they think to become employers rather than being an employee. why dont they think that just getting into a big company and earning hand full will not make any contribution to indian economy (other than paying hefty taxes) rather they should plan and evolve themself by becomming an employer, setting up his/her own company in india. if every one in iim gets employment in big company then when will be the next ambani or ratan tata to emerge in indian soil. govt of india thinks that by giving quality education through iim, they can see many new ceo in india. but the things r differnt. in iipm i think they make research in indian economy and then they apply their academic theories in that to bring more positive soln,which is not implied in the iim. and i want to say that i m not a iipm or iim student. i m an engineering student. please dont criticise any educational institution unless and untill u got proper proofs and real facts.

  • shashank krishna

    let me assure you as a lawyer that this is clearly protected by Article 19 (1) (a) of Freedom of Speech and Expression of the Indian Constitution. If the concerned individuals petition any court, their rights will be protected. Please do not blow this issue out of the proportion. IIPM, in my opinion, has gone senile and if they had concerned any lawyer, he would have told them to forget about such moves. There was no requirement for Gaurav to quit his job. It is an action taken in undue haste. He should not have bothered about threats from IIPM since he has not done anything wrong morally or legally. India can in no way be compared to the treatment meted out to bloggers from China or Singapore. Please also take note that Indian Government was not involved in any manner whatsoever. Such actions by third grade institutes like IIPM are stupid corporate bullying practices which any court would throw out with costs. If anybody faces any such hostile action from IIPM types, feel free to contact me. Lets show these suckers what freedom of speech is all about

  • shashank krishna

    hell,
    i just saw comments from Mrinal, a student of IIPM. dude, your language, grammer and sentence construction speaks a lot about IIPM. I rest my case. I dont think i have to say anymore. And, yeah I adopt Gaurav’s and JAM’s comments. Please feel free to take me to court. I can do with some legal action right now. Please treat this as an open invitation to take me to court. I will prove to you and your ‘Arimdam Sir’ what freedom of speech is all about. Actually i am not surprised by your use of language, I read some 10 pages of his “count your chicken….” book and it didnt take me long to figure out what a fraud and scamster his institute and he himself is. My invitation still stands……

  • shashank krishna

    IIPM TAKEN TO TASK

    people, here is the latest on IIPM and other fraud institutes who are cheating students and their parents out of their hard earned money. AICTE has said this on record that it is not authorised to run these courses. here is the story…

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    AICTE raises objection to courses provided by IIPM
    THE All India Council For Technical Education, AICTE has raised objections to 36 private Indian institutes offering technical courses in collaboration with foreign institutes. The institutes include the high profile IIPM and Rai business schools.

    2005-12-13 19:33
    IIPM advertisement claims that its students get additional MBA and BBA degrees from International Management Institute of Belgium. Rai Business School makes a similar claim. Its advertisement says students opting for MBA plus course would get additional degree from European Management Institute, Switzerland. Merit International education foundation, Ooty claims to offer degree from Chardonne Business School, Switzerland. Similarly, Pune’s IIMT offers MBA degrees from Girne American University.

    Vice Chairman of AICTE, RA Yadav says,” All the four institutes are running programmes with foreign collaborations. The ones that I mentioned, they are not approved by the AICTE. They are not authorised, which is illegal.”

    AICTE came up with guidelines on foreign collaboration on May 15 this year. The guidelines state that no foreign institute can offer degrees in the country without its approval. Indian institutes already doing so were given time of six months to comply with these norms that got over on 15th of last month. AICTE says it has not granted permission to any institute to offer foreign degrees.

    AICTE says no institute can offer foreign degree without its approval. Council has been issuing notices to these institutes, and it remains to be seen what further action it would take in this matter.

    http://inwww.rediff.com/newshound/showarticle.htm?rediffid=http://news.moneycontrol.com/backends/News/frontend/news_detail.php?autono=193774

  • shashank krishna

    IIPM TAKEN TO TASK

    people, here is the latest on IIPM and other fraud institutes who are cheating students and their parents out of their hard earned money. AICTE has said this on record that it is not authorised to run these courses. here is the story…

    AICTE raises objection to courses provided by IIPM
    THE All India Council For Technical Education, AICTE has raised objections to 36 private Indian institutes offering technical courses in collaboration with foreign institutes. The institutes include the high profile IIPM and Rai business schools.

    2005-12-13 19:33
    IIPM advertisement claims that its students get additional MBA and BBA degrees from International Management Institute of Belgium. Rai Business School makes a similar claim. Its advertisement says students opting for MBA plus course would get additional degree from European Management Institute, Switzerland. Merit International education foundation, Ooty claims to offer degree from Chardonne Business School, Switzerland. Similarly, Pune’s IIMT offers MBA degrees from Girne American University.

    Vice Chairman of AICTE, RA Yadav says,” All the four institutes are running programmes with foreign collaborations. The ones that I mentioned, they are not approved by the AICTE. They are not authorised, which is illegal.”

    AICTE came up with guidelines on foreign collaboration on May 15 this year. The guidelines state that no foreign institute can offer degrees in the country without its approval. Indian institutes already doing so were given time of six months to comply with these norms that got over on 15th of last month. AICTE says it has not granted permission to any institute to offer foreign degrees.

    AICTE says no institute can offer foreign degree without its approval. Council has been issuing notices to these institutes, and it remains to be seen what further action it would take in this matter.

    http://inwww.rediff.com/newshound/showarticle.htm?rediffid=http://news.moneycontrol.com/backends/News/frontend/news_detail.php?autono=193774

  • OnePoint

    Are we really comparing IIM’s to IIPM??

    We need to keep just one thing in mind, that the standard of an institute’s reputation is built but by its students not by its faculty. The fact that the IIT’s and IIM’s are considered one of the best is mainly becuse of their students, and people like Rashmi or Gaurav, who are IIM grads and that they have taken on the might of the media by their simple blog further proves the point….

    Also it shows a lot about IIPM and its students, when they can’t even post a proper blog, without shouting or screaming…

    Another point that needs to be made here is that it wasn’t necessary for Gaurav to leave IBM, and if he’s left IBM, then propably he wanted to change his career and wanted to become a full time journalist … so no pity, sympathy, or support is required for him. Let’s remember he’s an IIT grad aswell a grad from IIM .. so there must be a lot of companies bending over backwards to hire him, as far as Rashmi is concerned she’s already made a name in blogsphere… so Rashmi is to blogsphere what Arindam Chaudhury is to IIPM.

    Both are two sides of a coin.

    And let us not compare India to China and Sigapore, as far as free speech is concerned, or for that matter freedom is concerned. India gives its citizens all the freedom possible, so its easy for people to claim anything and everything (like for example laying claim to the Taj Mahal, as some people have done!!).

    If this were China or other authoritarian rule people would have been in jail by now.

    So please don’t jump around saying that there is no freedom of speech here… We don’t need a lawyer to tell us that we have freedom of speech, the very fact that your and my comments are here is proof enough…..

    At the same time its good that that people have spoken about these institutes, who promise the moon and deliver its mere image….

  • Prateek Sonthalia

    I have been looking for a place to voice some of my rebellious opinions on the way the Govt. of India runs the country and I found this site. I will make use of it :

    First on the reservation issue for OBCs. This govt and the old timers in the Ministry especially Arjun Singh are super-grade mental retards. They have gotten used to enjoying the benfits of seniority by age, in the age-old stupid Indian way. The youngsters should reject such people and their opinions outright and look for fresh thoughts.

    The Ministry of Finance of P. Chindambaram and Company thinks he is doing an excellent job and that he is the best guy in India to do the work. I differ in opinion. I used to read stories during my childhood of Kingdoms which were in dire circumstances because the people were excessively taxed. It is very easy to run a govt. by taxing people more.

    The government always wants to show its kindness based on someone elses private money. For a change why doesnt it try to do better with whatever resources it has.

  • [...] P3P (page 3 people) is an old-age term now. ‘Blogger’ is in. So if on one hand the term got popular, on the other hand the fights between bloggers became more prevalent. Realistically speaking, the addition of the word to English dictionary is not that new. Blogging existed since 1994 but the word became more widespread as internet became more and more popular. RediffBlogs played a big role in getting blogs accepted in India when they came up with their blogging platform. I still remember early days of 2003, when I somehow landed to this blogsphere and met lot of interesting bloggers from India and other parts of the world. The popular blog sites during those days were Typepad, Blogspot & Sulekha – to some extent. Movable Type (MT) came after that, followed by WordPress.The trend of owning a space to blog was on the verge of getting accepted and has become very common now as more and more people realize the impact a blog can make. Different controversies had their role in awakeing the Indian blogosphere, like IIPM Case, where one Blogger had to quit his job at IBM, and another blogger Verma got a legal notice. Consequently, bloggers like Kaps took the initiative to fight against IIPM and the other bloggers added fuel to the fire by blogging more. Different kinds of issues and calamities also helped, in a way, bloggers to blog as much as possible. A lot of us are already familiar with Desipundit which is omnipresent with the best of Indian blogs. Blogging is about posting huge amount of information (bloggers’ views, blog readers comments and links to connects with rest) on any issues – from a C grade film to “Why bush did this”, “Tsunami causes” to “Mumbai blasts victims”, “home fights” and “love stories”. The presence of a good repository of poems and photography (Flickr that made the life easy for every Digi cam holder) and the existence of myspace and other social networking sites on the internet made life easier for avid bloggers. And with all this Techo guys became more geek and non-techie became more technically sound.I remember when I attended the 1st Delhi bloggers meet in early 2004, there were around 22 bloggers (almost everybody in the group turned up for the event though it required a lot of effort). One of our meets got some coverage in the newspapers and we were on Times of India. Another DBM meet last November saw a Times of India journalist to spy on what do actually bloggers do in these meets. I believe few items in the agenda were to find out the most popular blogger or to find out if only software guys maintain blogs. From that time to till date almost 12 meets have happened. The number of bloggers attending these meets falls down number of times. Our last meet that had 3 people from BBC gave our group lots of popularity and made many bloggers to attend the event. This gave birth to a new concept – of calling a guest (someone quite known) blogger in these meetups. For example, in this 12th DBM Joshua (also member) was expected and around 22 blogger turned up except him.I was absent this time. And when I asked people about the meet, a few (without taking their name) told you did not miss much. And at the same time, I read reviews with people saying, “absent bloggers – you missed a lot”. But how can I forget a statement by a blogger friend, who after attending the last meet said – I am not going to come for such events in future. It’s always the same. So the question is when there is a popularity of such event, people love to be part of bloggers meet even though internally they feel its more like a socializing meet. And you expect to meet new friends and on getting chances, you mingle up. There are a few bloggers who write to impress their girlfriends or make a impression amongst their friends’ circle. There are others who do a more professional job to prove their technical superiority over others at their work-place. [...]

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  • Saj

    To see how much freedom of speech is available in Indian media, please visit pakistanfront.wordpress.com

    Thanks.

    Saj

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