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These last two weeks have seen fairly good amount of activity in the Hindi Blogosphere. With the political & other elections season coming up, its hard to ignore it & the resulting activity. So while Rachna composed a poem on elections describing how the environment would be in a village and Eswami is also not far behind in expressing his thoughts on Hillary and Presidentship. And elections is not all thats in for political scene. It very much has its ugly side as well, like how terrorists in Assam shot labourers from Bihar just because they are not natives and according to them Assam belongs only to the Assamese and no outsider is allowed to come there. The point those terrorists are making is that Assam is an independent region under opression of India, its just like the age-long Kashmir situation where terrorists funded by the western neighbour plunder killing one and all who do not agree with their fanatical beliefs.

Further elaborating on the Assam problem, Jitu writes that maybe this problem is arising because of regional divide as people are putting themselves and their region before the interests of the country. And that is being seeded and fueled by the Ulfa Terrorists whose leader is in the safe Bangladeshi haven while his troops march around in Assam dictating their terms. And the political leaders are doing nothing because they are concerned more with their votebank in form of illegal Bangladeshi immigrants who illegally cross the borders and settle in Assam and neighbouring states, the local politicians(for their own gain) furnish them with false ids and papers which declare them as citizens of India and thus allowing them to cast their votes to form the government.

And as per Himanshu, India has been fighting the islamic terrorists till now and from now on it'll have to fight off Christian Terrorists as well which are starting to crawl out from under their rocks in the eastern states of India while Srijan Shilpi is also pondering on what can be the solution for this Assam issue. However, all this is sponsored terrorism, whether its funded by an enemy country or the local politicians. Else what will burning of shops and vehicles in Bangluroo(erstwhile Bangalore) will be called, an action which some followers of islam executed in supposed opposition to execution of Saddam!

Someone with some sense would be clearly able to see that all this is nothing but attempts to create anarchy by anti-social elements as opposing by burning property of fellow citizens would not bring a dead man to life. However Srijan Shilpi brought some good news in the form of the recent ruling of Supreme Court of India where the judiciary bench passed a ruling due to which the state assemblies will no longer be able to keep any of their decisions out of reach of judicial evalution, something which they did now and then as the constitution had given them the right to do so, which resulted in many unfair and unpleasant laws made and imposed on people by their state assemblies and no one was able to challenge them.

Moving on from politics, another draw for most people is investments, be it in a company's stocks or in real-estate or any other lucrative avaenue. So keeping that in mind, Jitu generously told everyone about the two lucrative real-estate deals that are in the market, the Castle Dracula in Romania and if you want, an island country called Sealand is also for sale! ;)

We will be happy to talk to you in Hindi” in a cafe in Connaught Place last week. Eswami told everyone about this new gadget in market which will easily convert your old music cassettes to MP3 format for easy listening on computer or MP3 players. Not far behind, Unmukt suprised everyone by blogging that Linux users are more sexy and sensitive than other operating system users. I'm sure that a lot of Windows and Mac users will refute this claim which appear to be baseless. ;)

Fresh from the recently accomplished Hindi Blogger of 2006 competition, Tarakash team is at it again, this time they are going to start the Best Hindi Blog Post competition which will select the best blog post written in Hindi every two months. These people are really pushing it in style now, and these small incentives will definitely encourage more people to blogging and push existing hindi bloggers to write more and better, hats off to Tarakash team.

GK Awadhiya's narration of Mahabharat continues as Arjun returns after getting divine weapons from heaven and eldest Pandav Yudhishtra saves his cousin(and enemy) Duryodhana's life.

Links courtsey: Narad

Posted by Amit Gupta

34 Responses to
“Terrorism in Assam and Illegal Bangladeshi immigrants, a take in Hindi!”

  1. What is the Hindi Blogosphere yapping about? at Within / Without:
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    [...] Ever wondered what murmurs are passing along in non-English blogospheres? Amit Gupta has joined Global Voices as a contributor and is volunteering to keep an eye out on the Hindi Blogosphere. His second post titled “Terrorism in Assam and Illegal Bangladeshi immigrants, a take in Hindi!” is worth a read. Amit not only links to Hindi posts, but provides a wonderful contextual note, by summarizing what these posts say - so it’s easy to get a glimpse of the Hindi Blogosphere even if you don’t read or understand the language. (Which is the basic premise of bridge blogging.) [...]

  2. monechee:
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    HI I am from North East and I will have to say the immigrants from Bihar are only making the situation worse. I myself would not like them to come here and I am no ULFA supporter.
    History speaks for itself, what happened to natives in america should not happen to us.

  3. Amit Gupta:
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    Well, your comment does sound like pro-ULFA. Bihar is not in some other country, its in India and as Indian citizens they can go whereever they please just like you are free to go wherever you want to go in India. The example you give of america is absurd since you are comparing foreign immigrants with the citizens of the country! :)

  4. monechee:
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    Not actually, Did you know you need inner line permit to visit Nagaland,Mizoram ? Did you know that you can not buy property there as those area are demarked tribal reservations? The land in Assam which has tribal population should also be demarked as tribal reserved.
    Do you know how all the ULFA trouble started? it was because of immigration problem.
    And have you ever visited North East to comment on it? have you heard peoples complaint there? most of the people there are worried about immigration from Bangladesh and other Indian states.
    Your argument on lines of country is absurd as it does not have any idea of ground realities and you are talking like some minister touring from airplane.=)
    And when I was talking about America I was talking about the native american tribes who got wiped out because of migration of whites from europe.Histroy has shown time and time again what happens when massive demographic changes take place.
    300 million people from neighbooring states (BIMARU)can change the demographics very dangerously for the NE states which has about 1 million tribal population each.

  5. monechee:
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    Actually No my comments does not sound like ULFA, If it did I would have said to use violence. I would like peace, but that does not mean I approve of mindless mass migration into North East.
    I had posted earlier comments but guess they did not get published. The situation there is much more complex Amit.What you are saying this is India is like some one from New delhi government commenting with out knowing the ground situation.By simply touring by airplane you can not see the ground realities.

  6. Yanger Jamir:
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    “And as per Himanshu, India has been fighting the islamic terrorists till now and from now on it’ll have to fight off Christian Terrorists as well which are starting to crawl out from under their rocks in the eastern states of India …..”
    christain terrorist ???? what are you talking about ?? himanshu .???? i wonder what kind of theorist he is ??
    name just one Christain terrorist group in NE ???

  7. Yanger Jamir:
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    i think its high time the mediapeople start coming to NE and do a major research on the on going problems faced by the indegenous people. opinions are just so different from the centre and from the ground reality.
    There are just too many people with just too many opinions and barely anybody who knows exactly what happened. Most indians get to read only the bombblast and the word ” Terrorist ” as far as NE is concern.
    as if bomblast never happens in indian metros like Delhi and Mumbai.

  8. Yanger Jamir:
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    ” Srijan Shilpi” and “Himanshu” ..who ever they are ..why do they have to post Blogs about NE in Hindi.
    Is it done so that the hindi speaking community who has never been to NE or never heard of NE, can be easily convinced of the baseless theory about NE.
    Why can they write in English….if they want a discussion about it we can do it in commonground-English. what will you all feel if i start my own blog with my own ethnic dailect and start talking bad about the outsiders?

  9. Amit Gupta:
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    Did you know you need inner line permit to visit Nagaland,Mizoram ? Did you know that you can not buy property there as those area are demarked tribal reservations?

    No I didn’t know that but I do know that such laws also exist in some other parts of country like Kashmir where you can’t buy property if you don’t have the govt. permission as Kashmir comes under special act which grants it more rights than other states regarding their internal affairs. Similar land ownership rules exist in the states of Himachal Pradesh and Uttarakhand where only residents can buy land!!

    Your argument on lines of country is absurd as it does not have any idea of ground realities and you are talking like some minister touring from airplane.

    Before you accuse me of being an idiot who doesn’t know what he’s talking about, you should check on the situation in Delhi which is just a city & not a state like Assam or Mizoram. :) Delhi is way too over saturated and most of the population is from Bihar, anywhere you go you find biharis and I know that creates problems, I know mass migration is a problem for the host as it means depletion of host’s resources more rapidly & the natives there are also hit by this. But telling other fellow citizens that they are just not welcome is against the nationalist beliefs!! People of the same country should be free as the country belongs to them as much as it belongs to you and me. The only viable solutions to these problems are better infrastructure so that those people don’t have to migrate in the first place from their homelands. Do you think they are happy to leave their homes & migrate to some unknown & unfamiliar place for a living? Would you be happy in that? No one would; these people migrate not out of their own choice but for their family’s survival. So instead of saying to them that they shouldn’t migrate, we people(including you & me) should raise our voices to get the govts. of Bihar and other such states to improve their infrastructure so that these people don’t have to leave their homes. Once that happens, the mass migration problems will be solved, otherwise resorting to violence or saying to them that they are not welcome won’t work or stop them from migrating! :)

    And when I was talking about America I was talking about the native american tribes who got wiped out because of migration of whites from europe.

    I know that & thats why I said that example/argument is invalid since you are citing an example where conquistadors o other nations captured the lands in americas by force. Here you are not talking of people from other countries but about our own fellow countrymen, fellow Indians like us. :)

    @Yanger Jamir:
    Why not click the link & read what Himanshu said. He mentions that he came across a discussion forum of people from north-east and some extremists there were pushing for the independent “Nagaland for Christ”!! That, if I’m not wrong, amounts to treason against the Indian Constitution!

  10. monechee:
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    Amit I am not saying you are idiot bt I am saying you have to know the ground realities ,just taking a high ground on nationalism is not enough.

    I know that & thats why I said that example/argument is invalid since you are citing an example where conquistadors o other nations captured the lands in americas by force. Here you are not talking of people from other countries but about our own fellow countrymen, fellow Indians like us.

    So are you telling us that we should let 20-30 million outsiders in? what will happen to us? My tribe is 500000-1 million strong.What will be our status then?
    Yea I know that the people from Bihar are vitims of the goverment but they have to stand up and fight for themself in the respective states and not bring the fight to us.
    And yea the transformation where the land has been taken from native is already happening, there are lot of cases where people from Bihar have occupied land the army has given its blessing in case of disputes with local.
    This demograhic change is very dangerous, its not only in the cities its happening but in the villages.

    The people from UP and Bihar have so much political coult in the center, they have to change the mindset and not give any chance to incompetent politicians.
    And yea I will really welcome educated people who want to improve the situation in your place, like engineers , doctors ,technocrates but to welcome labor people who are more of burden and fight for same resources is foolish on our part.
    Already people here are angry and agitation on this we donot need further violence.

    On Nagaland actuall Amit the groups are based on ethinic lines and not religion. There is not one group that wants a christian state. There might be some individual posting those kind of comments but then dont we see similar behavior from Hindu fundamentalist?
    And yea acually right now there is a formal talks with India and ther naga groups, and they might end up with a fedral system there with nagaland having its own flag and constituion, but the monetary and defence and international afair being in hand of India.
    So even as we speak the Indian govenment has reconized that Nagas have sperate history and should have some seperate identity.

  11. Yanger Jamir:
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    Dear Amit

    “Nagaland for christ” ..a treason against constitution?? whats wrong in believing that God exist.
    u can call them separatist, extremist or naxalites..call them names. But christain terrorist is just not the right word to use. Atleast to those “Nagaland for christ” organizations(NSCN). Himanshu should have understood that NSCN has never got invovled in any terror. Cease fire has been going on for some years now. Did u ever read news where NSCN was found hijacking planes, or blasting bombs in the busy market or inside restaurants? There is not even a single suicide christain terrorist.
    the word Terrorist is a derogatory word.
    everybody knows christian everywhere in India are discrimanted.

  12. monechee:
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    HI
    If you see the situation in Tibet right now its the exactly the same as in North East India. The Hun chinese are being attacked in Tibet . The Hun chinese think that they have the right to move into Tibet as its part of china but tibetian think that its an incursion.
    I do not approve the violence but migrating millions of Hun chinese into Tibet will destroy local population.
    I hope you see the similarity and the angusih among local population because of this.

  13. Amit Gupta:
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    Sorry but your examples in no way whatsoever are justfied. Tibet is another matter because it was forcibly conquered by China & the local govt. of Dalai Lama was overthrown. But the north-eastern Indian states that you talk about are very much a part of India as per their allegience to the union of India signed by their then rulers. So you can’t compare them with Tibet’s situation as tibetans are fighting for their freedom much like India fought the British! There is a difference in both these cases & will always remain unless tibetans swear their allegiance to China & then revolt.

  14. monechee:
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    First of All did not the Indian Kings pledge and had various treaties to the queen of England ? if you adher to that why are you not subject to the queen? Amit think about it.=)
    Actually Tibet was part of China much before (13th century)but the Chinese rule was not absolute and from 1912 to 1951 Tibets were ruling themself.I am sorry to say Amit but you are posting with out doing research.And again you are posting with National sentiments and with not with a clear mind and understanding of the situation.

    As for NE states they were never undercontrol of India untill the British left , Also for Nagaland iw was forceably taken in 1947 , the armed revolt dates back to Indias independence. I would say you need further research on this. As for other parts cases are different. But for all those were not part of India untill the British left. In Manipur too there was pressure on Indias part to join the union(1949). In Mizoram there was violent struggle until the leaders agreed to an treaty.
    And do you want to know how the revolts were crushed, India was lucky that they were not put under scruiteny for violations.
    Bombing by jets in Aizawl
    http://www.misual.com/2008/03/09/aizawl-burning/
    http://www.lawrkhawm.com/story.php?title=The_Day_the_Sky_Rained_Terror-1
    http://www.aizoltimes.com/article/2523/memories-of-inferno-still-remain-fresh

    The way nagaland revolt was crushed was even more brutal.

    But even after all that we do not mind being in India at least not me, as far Indian goverment recognise our right to our cultural preservation (which it has done)and land(where it still has to work with the mass migration of people from other parts).

    Please Read this to know the harm of mass migration
    http://www.manipuronline.com/North-East/November2005/tripura23_1.htm

  15. Amit Gupta:
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    First of All did not the Indian Kings pledge and had various treaties to the queen of England ? if you adher to that why are you not subject to the queen?

    Its because the British Parliament passed a ruling which granted India independence from British rule on 15th August 1947(IST) and the country was divided into India & Pakistan with the latter being given to Muslim League under Mohd. Ali Jinnah as per their demands of a seperate free state for their muslim bretheren and which was reluctantly accepted by others as a means to stop the human slaughter that Muslim League was promoting. And thus India became independent, a union of some 500+ princely states, from the rule of brits & the Queen.

    My dear, I think its you who need to brush up a little on your history & get the facts straight, do some research before making illicit claims. So I’m bowing out of this discussion(which is going nowhere) because it seems that you simply want to argue without full facts & by twisting half facts as per your agenda. :) May you believe whatever you want to, ofcourse I can’t police it & don’t want to force anything on you. :)

  16. Amit Gupta:
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    Also, just a suggestion: If you can then get hold of a copy of “Transfer of Power in India” by V.P.Menon which I think will give you some knowledge about that time & the actions taken as the book was written by the man who proposed the partition of India & Pakistan after the talks failed between Congress & Muslim League and the League sponsored human slaughter continued. Mr. V.P.Menon was the highest ranked indian civil servant in the British Raj and worked closely with Lord Mountbatten and Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel to make the transition of power from british to indians as smoothly as possible with minimum bloodshed.

  17. monechee:
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    HI Amit ,
    You think I do not know that India got Independence from British rule??=DDDD Do you assume me to be so idiot?
    What i am arguing is that if Indian kings pledge to the queen then why did the Indians want Independence? according to your previous argument their rulers had signed therefore the Indians should have lost the right to revolt?its the same argument you made that the rulers from NE pledge allegence to Indian rule.
    Going with the same argument the Indians should not have fought for independence as their previous rulers accepted British Rule.
    Simple!!

    I am just highlighting hypocricy in your behaviour , what you think is right to do for Indians in not for others.
    As for as being pig headed it hold same for you, that you are ignoring rights of native people to their land. Just that your ignorance will cause us dear because its in hand of people like you in mainland India can choose the government. I am just trying to present our view so that you can help it to refect in the Indian parliament.

  18. Amit Gupta:
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    You think I do not know that India got Independence from British rule??=DDDD Do you assume me to be so idiot?
    What i am arguing is that if Indian kings pledge to the queen then why did the Indians want Independence? according to your previous argument their rulers had signed therefore the Indians should have lost the right to revolt?its the same argument you made that the rulers from NE pledge allegence to Indian rule.

    Dunno about you but I don’t assume you to be whatever you say, just replied to what your words meant. As for the rulers of pricely states signing their allegiance, well, if my history is not hazy then some rulers in 18th & 19th century pledged their allegiance to the British East India Company but they didn’t give up their sovereignty or independence, it was just a political & trade alliance underwhich the East India Company would help them against any invaders & in return they would grant them trade rights & a share in taxes etc. The British East India Company however started taking control everywhere forcibly & those states whose rulers didn’t be-friend them were conquered by the military might of the Company.

    When the British East India Company was stripped off its military powers in India after the revolt of 1857 by Queen Victoria, the rule of India passed directly under her administration & she took on the title of Empress of India. So you see, the rulers didn’t give up their sovereignty or freedom to anyone, it was just taken from them, so ofcourse the people had the right to revolt against the oppression & tyrannical rule. But in the context of Indian independence, the rulers of pricely states signed the accession papers giving up the seperate sovereignty of their respective states to the union of India which meant that they would no longer remain in charge of their states. The princely states were divided into regions & states which will have a local government answerable to the central government. So my dear, there’s a difference & it isn’t surprising that you failed to notice this! :)

    That is why I said there’s no point in this argument which is not going anywhere because you are arguing with half knowledge and trying to manipulate half facts to support your views all the while sitting comfortably in United States. :)

    As for as being pig headed it hold same for you

    There there, if you need help from someone then I’d give my sincere advise that you don’t approach them with this attitude because if you do then I very much doubt that you would find any helpers!!

    Besides, I don’t think that I used that salutation for you in any of my replies so far, however you are free to use any salutation for yourself that you require just as you are free to construct your opinions in anyway whatsoever about other people.

    Just that your ignorance will cause us dear because its in hand of people like you in mainland India can choose the government.

    Firstly, I don’t think that the North Eastern states are cut off by any land/sea mass so they are very much part of mainland India unlike the Andaman Nicobar Islands or Lakshwadeep Islands which are at a bit distance from the mainland and being islands mean they are seperated by sea.

    Secondly, the last I remember, people in the north-eastern states do have the right to choose their government & also have a say in the central government, after all India is world’s largest democracy!! But then again, like many times before, you seem to have ignored that, eh!!!

    Personally, I’m not fond of the way current & past governments have ruled nor do I have any likeness of the politicians as well, but I’m not one to support anti-India sentiments, you knocked on the wrong door my friend. First I’m a human & then I’m an Indian!!

  19. monechee:
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    Amit
    I know about Indian history was learning it in school. I also know how India was conqured and also how the Indian kings signed agreements.
    But as you said after queen took over you can not denay the fact that all the Indian princely states and indian leaders at that time pledge to her and the empire, well even including Mahatma Gandhi =) until he saw the discrimination that was metted out.
    Also you can read about nagaland as none of their leaders pledge to India. They decleared independence even before India.So the princely state joining the Indian union argument does not hold for them.

    Yea I see no point in the debate as you will never see the point that I will make, Amit nothing is bigger than human rights that includes freedom to choice not even country.=)
    Also I fear the way nationalism is being promoted in India , in movies etc, where security forces can kill anyone if suspected to be anti national.
    Its dangerous .

    PS I am not in US. I do not like that country at all, its the most hypocritical country in the world.

  20. monechee:
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    And again on paper India is a democracy bt we all know how much that works.

    This is one article where you will see that army generals are put as governers where they conflict with civilian elected governments.
    http://mycitizennews.blogspot.com/2008/02/north-east-india-where-army-generals.html

  21. monechee:
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    and lastly what about the pricely states that India invaded? The Nizams ?

  22. Amit Gupta:
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    PS I am not in US. I do not like that country at all, its the most hypocritical country in the world.

    Funny you say that since all your comments till this one came from Irving, Texas(US) based IPs and now as soon as I mention that you are sitting there in US, you seem to have hopped on a proxy which is using an ISP in Budapest(Hungary)!! Interesting, very interesting!

  23. monechee:
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    Dude where I am living does not matter =)

  24. Amit Gupta:
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    Dude, I never doubted it that you don’t know what you are talking, armed with half knowledge you are just arguing to drive in your agenda of opposing non-natives!! Just see how you contradict yourself here:

    Amit nothing is bigger than human rights that includes freedom to choice not even country.=)

    If as per you nothing is bigger than Human Rights & the freedom to make a choice to live at a place then why oppose other fellow indians who migrate in search of a living for their families? Why kill them? Why not go & teach those in-human terrorists, funded by foreign money, to stop killing those people? Why not raise your voice against the government & administration so that they take proper steps rather than oppose those innocent people?

    Bah! I don’t think its gonna make sense to you unless you wish to open the doors of your mind to try & understand things rather than just seeing your own gains!

  25. monechee:
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    Dear Amit,
    Lets not debate about my intellectual ability=) just because I expose the truth.
    You talked about princely states joining the union willingly but I have already given you example where it was not the case(read Nizam).But that does not matter to you as you are blinded by nationalistic feeling. Its ok there is nothing wrong in it but it does cloud the judgement.
    And yea it does not matter what the leaders choice ,it should be choice of the people.
    As for free movement ,its not a guaranteed as it would imbalance the world.yea in Idealized world i would like to think that free movement is good but the reality is different dude.=)
    And I think you did not read my previous postings I said before I do not approve of violence.
    Also people of assam did raise their voice and protested peacefully against mass immigration, Read ASSAM AGGITATION, it was crushed violently by the Indian govemenment,only after this did the ULFA movement got support. As I see you do not have any knowledge about the NE region, which makes your article one sided.
    I advice you to read more NE before you post anything about it. I know its not your fault as the mainstream media does not give you much information about whats goin on there except when some Biharis get killed.

    And yea is trying to preserve culture and land too much to ask for?

    PS- You are guaranteed your rights as long as you do not step on others rights.
    Go to NE and ask the people how they feel about mass immigration ,no one likes it here. Thats our right to protect our land.
    Also why do not you write about how to improve the situation in Bihar so that they get employment there.why not try to expose the corrupt politician there if you are so worried about the nation.You would be serving better then.=)

  26. Amit Gupta:
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    Firstly, anyone reading through the comments here can get an idea as to who’s off the track here, so lets not argue about that. As for the seperation of NE states from India, the day this unfortunate thing happens, the next day China will annex those lands, it already cries about having a right on those lands, so you should be grateful that you are part of India. You should read around GV here to know exactly how things are in China, I don’t think people of NE will be able to raise their voices this openly when they become part of China!!

    Secondly, it does matter where you are because you see, the hypocrisy comes there itself. Sitting in US you are speaking against migration when you yourself are an immigrant sitting in a foreign land & on the other hand you criticize that same land which is providing you bread & butter & say that you despise that same country!

    Thirdly, I don’t write here at GV what I feel like but I report about what blogs of a language(hindi) are writing about! So if there’s any such things written about this, I’ll sure try to cover that as well here at GV.

    Besides, what you are advising me(to write about these issues), I’d sure take that into consideration & write about them on my blog & also encourage others to do so. But I’d also advise you to advise your ULFA brethren to lay down their arms & seek other means for this. But that would be possible only if they have the interests of their land & people in their heart rather than having some delusioned fantasies implanted in brainwashed minds driven forward by foreign money interested in creating domestic problems for India!!

    Delhi & surrounding areas are also seeing mass migration of people from other states but we have not resorted to violence against them! And thats a very big deal considering Delhi is just a city & not a bunch of states!! So don’t assume that I don’t have a clue about what happens when large masses migrate from other places. You are judging that sitting in a far-far away place where you yourself are an immigrant while I’m at ground zero!

  27. monechee:
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    Amit I have told you before I do not stay in USA and would not even like to , there are lot of proxy IP around I when ever I post something I use them.But why does it matter to you so much where I stay? are you tring to give me up to Indian intel so that they can torture me??=)
    As for getting NE out of India is concerned I have also told you that I would not like that unless the current situation is not resolved but the Indian goverment is not helping either turning blind eye to people complaints.(either be migration or AFSPA)
    ULFA is history now as people do not support them in Assam, but the local population still do not like the migration of outsiders, you are welcome to take a survey here anytime.If people want that you still would crush them? then you are not any better then the politicians sitting in Delhi.
    Changing demograhics in rural area is much more dangerous then in cities the land is lost , I would invite you to visit Guwahati ,shillong and see its same is in Delhi maybe much more outsides then Delhi.Again I would invite you to visit those places. I assume you have never been to this part of the country , where as I have been to Delhi , have lived there for 5 years.

    And we should not be thankful to anyone. If I remember it well in 1960 war with China ,Indian army left us to our own device with out fighting.=) And the Indian government after the war left Arunachal to rot where it has not invested anything. People have to track non existant roads.
    On the other hand NE gives India 40% of the domestic crude oil production with out it India would be in deep trouble. So it should be India that should be thankful to us.=)

    PS-I know that you were only reciting the blogs from Hindi speakers but you did pick up a side. I have stayed in Delhi and you know what I do not want to be second class citizen.Stop using us as place to plunder natural resource,stop treating us like second class citizen(since you are from Delhi why do not you write as to why we are not allowed into entertain establisments which is blatant racism)

  28. Amit Gupta:
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    there are lot of proxy IP around I when ever I post something I use them

    Yeah & guess what, whenever I say that you are in US you seem to hop onto a proxy based in Budapest, else you are stable throughout from Irving, Texas. Maybe it just slips the mind to hop on a proxy till you are told about your location! ;) Your proxy bluff would’ve worked had you not been posting from your corporate network of Exxon Mobil!! ;) Better luck next time is all I can say! ;)

    If I remember it well in 1960 war with China ,Indian army left us to our own device with out fighting

    Yeah & like previous instances you are armed with half knowledge! Perhaps you don’t know or don’t want to acknowledge that in the 1965 Indo-China war(to which you are referring), Indian armed forces were beaten & pushed back by Chinese & we suffered a defeat at their hands!

    I know that you were only reciting the blogs from Hindi speakers but you did pick up a side

    No I did not pick up any side, am only trying to counter your false arguments in this hopeless discussion!

    since you are from Delhi why do not you write as to why we are not allowed into entertain establisments which is blatant racism

    That is nothing more than pure bull****. There are lots of people from NE here in Delhi & NCR, most of them young people either studying here or working. Heck, my BSc class had some & a couple of them were my friends!! And you know what? We don’t mind them as well just like we don’t have any issues against people from other parts of India!! They are treated no different than any other person & just about all of them get along very well!! We don’t mind them living here, being a migrant here!!

    I think I’m done here in this discussion & your anti-national selfish & seperatist arguments, don’t have any more time to waste! Good day to you!

  29. sang6sigma:
    29

    dear amit , if u keep tracking peoples IP address like that …i will never say that i live in a democratic country nor will i say india is better than China.

  30. Amit Gupta:
    30

    @sang6sigma aka “Yanger Jamir”
    I don’t track people’s IPs, I’ve better things to do! But the software that powers this website does so(even mine) & I was just curious to see where this guy is located who was dishing out dirt on India & speaking so against migration, surprise came when it turned out that he(or she, don’t know really) turned out to be a migrant himself(herself).

    Besides, keeping a record of IPs doesn’t make one China or an equivalent of them or their beliefs! Its all about how that info is used. I used it just for informational purpose, nothing else. The US govt. tracks way too much more info than that, so you’d say that they are not a democratic country? I really am at a loss to understand what you mean, collecting info doesn’t relate to democracy or tyranny or anything else!! Since you live in a democratic country you have the freedom to say whatever you want within the boundaries of law. Whether you say India is better than China or not is entirely up to you & your thinking.

  31. monechee:
    31

    Hey Amit
    I never dished out dirt , I was stating facts.
    Please open your eyes , and read my comments again, you will see I said I welcome educated migrants, doctor engineer etc, the rest labors need not come, we have problems of our own.
    I will say it again, planned migration is ok but hordes of migrants are not welcome.
    You are the one twisting my comments everytime.

  32. monechee:
    32

    So bombing of Mizoram is dirt??
    Scores of lifes were lost there, AFSPA is dirt?

  33. sang6sigma:
    33

    “Its all about how that info is used. I used it just for informational purpose, nothing else”
    keep ur information with yourself…hope you atleast dont let it out here:)

    “Whether you say India is better than China or not is entirely up to you & your thinking.”
    ya sure i wont discuss it here…i might be considered as an anti national or a tyrant.

    ive never been to US. All i know is that we are influenced a lot by Americans.

    But the Indian Democrazy sometimes tends to be regionalistic.
    India as a whole has often been characterized first by the colonization of the mind and spirit…
    The colonization of the mind is intended to cloud and internalize the human spirit with fear and sense of worthlessness, to condition behavior to the status quo which leads to acceptance of the normalization of the abnormal and where those suppressed don’t see themselves as makers of their own culture and history.
    The liberation of the human mind and spirit is necessary in our pursuit for happiness.
    Without a shadow of doubt, one must view the policy of suppression at a psychological level, because whatever else it does economically or politically, it creates confusion in the mind and weakens the resolve. At heart, it is designed to assert control and influence over the human mind. The role of psychological warfare is designed for these purposes, and in many aspects they are the determining factor. The break down of communication and trustworthy relationships enable the effective implementation of psychological warfare through rumors and confusion, which finally results in division. This policy has been most affective in situations of protracted conflict.
    Any transformative initiative therefore must necessarily involve a deliberate process of decolonizing the mind, which must be aimed in lifting the human mind from the hegemonic conditions and in instilling new values. Without such a liberative process, the oppressed will only continue in the path laid by the oppressor and within the value system which has been artificially imposed. This continuation would only feed into a cycle that will create a reality in which victims would then become oppressors. Biharis and Outsiders in NE are hated by the locals. Its now like give and take. Such a tragic event would negate the principles of freedom.
    Transformation demands the renewal of a people’s culture, culture which is the carrier of a society’s values; and values that form the basis of a people’s self-definition. By culture, it implies the dynamic process of cultivating new life. Hence, there is a critical need to identify and reconstitute the cultural base and values which was fragmented by suppression. It means identifying what is and what is not and acting upon it.
    Im not trying to divide rest of india and NE. Im just a concerned citizen from NE. The complexity of NE isnt a scholars work to be resolved. It needs more than the informations that you read in the newspapers or other source.
    it would be good if u visit NE. If you do so..dont get informations from the government officials because they are just the logical conclusion of the centre.

  34. sang6sigma:
    34

    “Its all about how that info is used. I used it just for informational purpose, nothing else”
    keep ur information with yourself…hope you atleast dont let it out here:)

    “Whether you say India is better than China or not is entirely up to you & your thinking.”
    ya sure i wont discuss it here…i might be considered as an anti national or a tyrant.

    ive never been to US. All i know is that we are influenced a lot by Americans.

    But the Indian Democrazy sometimes tends to be regionalistic.
    India as a whole has often been characterized first by the colonization of the mind and spirit…
    The colonization of the mind is intended to cloud and internalize the human spirit with fear and sense of worthlessness, to condition behavior to the status quo which leads to acceptance of the normalization of the abnormal and where those suppressed don’t see themselves as makers of their own culture and history.
    The liberation of the human mind and spirit is necessary in our pursuit for happiness.
    Without a shadow of doubt, one must view the policy of suppression at a psychological level, because whatever else it does economically or politically, it creates confusion in the mind and weakens the resolve. At heart, it is designed to assert control and influence over the human mind. The role of psychological warfare is designed for these purposes, and in many aspects they are the determining factor. The break down of communication and trustworthy relationships enable the effective implementation of psychological warfare through rumors and confusion, which finally results in division. This policy has been most affective in situations of protracted conflict.
    Any transformative initiative therefore must necessarily involve a deliberate process of decolonizing the mind, which must be aimed in lifting the human mind from the hegemonic conditions and in instilling new values. Without such a liberative process, the oppressed will only continue in the path laid by the oppressor and within the value system which has been artificially imposed. This continuation would only feed into a cycle that will create a reality in which victims would then become oppressors. Biharis and Outsiders in NE are hated by the locals. Its now like give and take. Such a tragic event would negate the principles of freedom.
    Transformation demands the renewal of a people’s culture, culture which is the carrier of a society’s values; and values that form the basis of a people’s self-definition. By culture, it implies the dynamic process of cultivating new life. Hence, there is a critical need to identify and reconstitute the cultural base and values which was fragmented by suppression. It means identifying what is and what is not and acting upon it.
    Im not trying to divide rest of india and NE. Im just a concerned citizen from NE. The complexity of NE isnt a scholars work to be resolved. It needs more than the informations that you read in the newspapers or other source.

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