In John's round-up of Chinese bloggers' responses to the Saffron Revolution, he mentioned that some Chinese bloggers used "this incident as an opportunity to reflect on the state of China's own democratic movement."
Some of them even link the Saffron Revolution to the political disturbance of Beijing in the 1989's summer.
Here is an example. A post Myanmar's Today on TianYa.cn reads,
你们吃人民给你们的食物。你们却杀戮人民、杀害僧人！
曾经，有些人吃人民的乳汁，当人民的子弟兵，却杀戮xuesheng。
At one time, some men ate the people's milk, became the people's army, yet they killed xuesheng (Students).
To avoid censorship, the author used PinYin for the word Student instead of Chinese characters.
It is not easy to find similar posts on the Chinese internet now. As the 17th Party Congress is approaching, most of the Chinese web sites have tightened up their filters.
However, Chinese are good at expressing themselves implicitly.
A netizen, personating the Myanmar Daily Editorial, wrote a post A Clear-cut Stand Against The Myanmar Unrest, imitating the tones and styles of the People's Daily Editorial.
…
全国僧侣、全国人民必须清醒地认识到，不坚决地制止这场动乱，将国无宁日。这场斗争事关缅甸振兴和国家建设的成败，事关国家民族的前途。
…
All the monks and the people shall realize that if we do not stop the unrest resolutely, there will be no peace in the country. This battle is concerned with the revitalization of Myanmar and the success of nation-building. It is vital to the future of the nation.
Replacing the words Myanmar and Monks with China and Students, you get the message.
Many Chinese readers found this article interesting and cross-posted it on different BBSs and Blogs. But the intention of this article is too obvious to the web sites' moderators. It disappeared from most of the big BBSs and blog sites. Still, readers can find pieces of this article hidden scatteredly in some comments of BBSs or Blog posts.
Some netizens took more complicated routes to get their voices across.
A post on KDNet.net, The Iron Evidence of America Interfering Myanmar Internal Affairs – Let's Protest Together!, has generated many responses from the readers.
The author called on the readers to protest against the US.
想干涉下美国内政的就跟贴干涉好了，我搂主大大的欢迎！
It looks like a post from the Anger Youth, buried in some other nationalistic posts. But if you read carefully, you will find something interesting. Responding to Bush's statement on the situation in Burma, the author wrote,
我呼吁秉持砖制和奴才价值观的人们颠覆美国布什政府的狰荡要求。
Many readers applauded the author in their comments.
From this cat and mouse game, we can see that the monks' protest in Myanmar is not only a foreign issue but also an internal issue to the Chinese government.
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There’s something else Burma and TAM has in common - CIA officer Col. Robert Helvey:
(Helvey’s involvment in Burma already cited in 1st “Chinese blogger” post)
http://www.onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_308.shtml
“[Helvey] also trained in Hong Kong the student leaders from Beijing in mass demonstration techniques which they were to subsequently use in the Tiananmen Square incident of June 1989″
The color-revolutions in eastern Europe also received such “non-violent warfare” training from CIA advisor Col. Robert Helvey. This pattern is by no means coincidences.
[...] Chinese bloggers reflect on the recent troubles in Burma and democracy issues in their own [...]
Hi Charles,
Thanks for the information. I am not surprised that CIA is playing some role in this, as the future of Myanmar is of the interest of the US too. But I don’t think you can attribute what is happening in Myanmar all to CIA. Many evidences show that China has many commercial espionages in the US, but can you say all China technology development owe to the US?
Furthermore, I am sure there are many active Chinese intelligent agencies in Myanmar too.
Hi folks!
Everthing you blame U.S. CIA do that , CIA do this. The same old story have been come from Comminist propaganda and its people have been indoctrinated, brainwashed. Shame on you.
I am surprised you can dig up so many anti-Myanmar post from Chinese BBSs consider Chinese, as a whole, are quite anti-religion/monk. The opinion of my friends and me is that the CIA is trying to replace a tyrant with a dictator, akin to recent development in Ukraine.
Please help us get the word out that we are offering Burmese people free email address and confidential communications to the outside families so we can help them be freed. We are in the US and have family in the country. We have posted this site to help start a channel where they can contact us to forward information. Please visit http://www.linkburma.org and share it with the Burmese People.
(Sorry this is a bit OT)
Jacky, you are right the Burma crisis is multi-faceted. In addition to CIA’s “non-violent warfare” color-revolution, George Soros’ OSI has been bank rolling this little uprise.
The Burmese democracy activists have openly acknowleged receiving support from OSI. Add on qusai-government organization like NED funded Einstein Institute operated by CIA officer Col. Rober Helvey, people start wondering.
But you are wrong about the Chinese. They have no direct access nor influence over the issue. Heck they even have to go thru some intermediary to get a word into Burma, according to Andrew Small of German Marshall Fund:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/09/26/wburma1226.xml
Bottom line is China is far from being the deciding facter, and many countries are involved, including Russia, Indonesia, India, France, Thailand, US, Japan, Malaysia, Singapore.
Bush is a coward. If he really wanted to spread democracy over the whole world, this would be his chance. If I were running the show, I would free the easy countries first. That would make tackling the bigger countries much easier. Anyways this shows how much of a true bigot Bush is.
US and the European Uonion can put tremendous pressure on China NOW to censore Myanmar because of the Beijing Olympic 2008. All they need to do is to express their desire that both US and European Union nations will defintely BOYCOTT the Games, if China refuses to show more concerted action against the military junta in Myanmar. No need to impose sanctions , just mention boycott of the Olympic , and China will cooperate.
to All:
who has supported south korea military dictatorship in 1960-80s?
who has supported Repulic of China (Taiwan) military dictatorship in 1950-80s?
who has supported Khmer Rouge regime in Cambodia in 1980s?
who had held olympic games twice while it was still mistreating black people?
USA ! is it qualified to blame others?
Not only China but India which itself claims to be the largest democracy in the world should do more to restore democracy in burma.
One wonders why India is having a good relationship with the junta in burma at the cost of democracy + innocent life of Burma.
hi, guy, why delete my comments? because of crtisizing USA? it is not fair.
Bush is not interfereing Myanmar Internal.
Myanmar people are demanding any help to save from murderer government, blood sucking military government.
Burmese government is killing many people.
I really look down Chinese moral now.
Chinese are happy to see Burmese people are being beaten, killed by its military regime.
No heart to help Burmese people.
OK I will find money do anti-Chinese all my life.
Because Chinese not only igonore Burmese people sufferings and trouble, but also Chinese help Burmese (Myanmar) military regime to continue killing, torturing Myanma people. Chinese is disturbing Myanmar people’ struggle for freedom.
How can you expect any decency from China??? Look what they do to the Falun Gong. And even worse what they have been doing for OVER FIFTY YEARS in Tibet. Shame on China and shame on the Burmese junta. People should boycott the 2008 Olympics on moral grounds!
How different is Tibet from, um, the Native Nations? About 200 years I guess.
And what about the Falun Gong. Have you forgotten what we did to the Davidians at Waco? You bet, Falun Gong’s controversial history in China that led to the sanctions is not well understood by many of us in the west:
http://exposingthefalungong.org/fgban01.html
But those of us in the Asian-American community see right thru it.
[...] fed by the local blogosphere. Local bloggers are trying to bypass the censorship filters, by using highly interpretive blog-posts: [...]
@Charles Liu:
“But those of us in the Asian-American community see right thru it”
How can you see anything with the PRC blood flag draped over your eyes. Even Chinese are upset with this. You are not Chinese and a poor excuse for an American.
Re: nanheyangrouchuan
The fact that Asian American (Chinese American in this case) can see through the media blockade is because we are multi-lingual. The same is also true for Arab American, Indian American, etc. We see things a little bit differently from main-stream (American, English) because we can access non-Western/Christian media.
SOUTH korean military dictatorship?2/@???!?!?!?!?!??!!??!
REPUBLIC OF TAWAIN MILITARY DICTATORSHIP!??!!??!!!?!!?!?!
oye vey theres some crazy people in this world.
What about China who supports the TRUE dictatorship in the Koreas, the NORTH?
ANd isnt your official stance on Tawain a “province in rebellion?”
I think Americans are serious about changing Burma mainly because of 1st Lady Laura Bush. She has a year to try and get something done before the dictator sucking Clintons take over who do brisk business with the generals. Even the US Army’s uniforms were ‘made in Burma’ until Bush took over so I think the generals are biding their time waiting for the Clintons.
Once the Clintons take over the White House the Burmese Generals will be safe for another 20 years.
The powers of the world want to control all wealth. It is a pitty people’s greed blinds them to a vision of a peaceful world. The corporations must be controlled by governments, not governments by corporations. I am ashamed of my country and its leaders. Peace and goodwill to all. Free the people now.
To
2007 @ 13:11 UTC
I am M.A student. So I am now studyint update China& Myanmar Relations. I would like to get many informations related about it. So would u like to send up to date information news. I will wait for your information.
Best regards,
Miss Khin Thazin Myint
I had met some friends in China, they are very pitiful, turn around in communist properganda. When I was in China, my computer was shut down when I accidently opened Tibet news in Youtube.
In principle, Nanjing Massacre during WAR was conducted by japanese to China to show militerilism and brutality,events like Myanmar Junta kill his own people and religious figures, Chinese Communist party rolls their own students by tanks are worse than Japanese war time aggression.Not shown in CCTV.
What Distinguish between Japanese Invasion to China and China invasion to Tibet and Mongolia? Diff between Dalai Lama and Sun Yet Seng?
Communist brings news hope to China from Kummiteng as properganda, but communist leaderships are just inheriting their parents’ job, china is pursuing capitalism( commune is failed as tested), communist just grasp power.
Min Raza, who are you trying to convince? Computer shuts down when you try to see new on Tibet on YouTube?
Why don’t you learn how computer work and what site are banned and what is not in China before making a fake comment.
I am not convincing you communist dog or cadre. I just reveal truth of your China media and properganda world how they run.
Sometime I am not convinced Japanese ran BROTHEL in China, because it is too obvious to see plenty of Spa and dirty massage centres in China in present time , certainly now rule by communist. It is your culture, just make fake properganda to cover your own weakness.
I will learn communist propergada, even Yang Zhou mayor claimed that september revolution in Burma is led by ousted general Khin Nyunt’s men, religion may be higher spiritual concept for you to understand or you have no god, you fool all your citizen. Keep in mind, Tian An Meng student demonstration bring you light of development, not “yes” vote of CCCP.
Everyday is not sunday, we will meet again other time in different corner. We will try to pay you back what you owe us, until last one of our souls.
I am not entirely sure what you are talking about beside you hate Chinese.
But I got to say, if all enemies of China are as pathetic as you, we got nothing to worry about.
BTW, look up CCCP before misuse it.
Time will judge. You will harvest what you sow. We may try to bring up Genghis Khan.
Farnkly not try to persuade others, we are not criticising chineses as a whole, but communist thugs.
We will support Taiwan Independence, will help Tibet and Mongolia freedom fighters, assist Burmese martyrs.
Bring down communist Empire.
Suit yourself, but do remember that China lasted longer than the history of Taiwan, Tibet, Mongolia and Burmese put together so I don’t really see how you plan can succeed. Hey, you can dream can you?
BTW, I am Taiwanese.
Taiwan’s CCCP cadre or Taiwan’s traitor? Please do not try to paint your awful idea’s as Taiwaneses’ as a whole.
Nevertheless you are trained to be a PROPAGANDIST, no one will buy your communist idea in outside world. Because there are free medias and none of them are communist mouth piece.
Long Live President Chan!!!!
Lee lar Than Shwe…
How do you think of us…
We are people…
Boycott Beijing Olympics!
China’s administration is evil.
Not deserve to be held Olympics.
If Olympics held in China, Olympics is also evil.
Why can’t we have a peaceful world? Why there are a lot of fighting and arguing? Why there are some people against Chinese to hold the Olympics because of political issue? China is a beautiful country, people here are nice and friendly, dont let some voices mix up your mind. You never see then you will never know. According to the statistics, there are over 200,000 foreigners in Beijing,why most of them prefer to stay here if they dislike here? China is a developing country, and it might be existed some unexpected issues while it is growing.Look back the world histry, anyone can tell me that when China was the one initiatively enkindle the war? Some people should know at least a bit Chinese histroy before talk about China here.