As Lhasa has supposedly quieted down, the anti-CNN.com crowd has gone off the deep end, that might be worth exploring more. The death threats they've been making towards Western media representatives stationed in China certainly haven't gone unnoticed.
On Mutant Palm blogger Davesgonechina's list of links chosen in a move to foster balanced discussion on the the number of issues he lays out, there's a link to the Dalai Lama's letter of appeal to the Chinese citizens. Where the letter has been reposted on Chinese-German website Ouline.com, a number of comments have come in:
2008-03-28 18:35:53
达赖先生，看了你的声明 。你被西方利用了，如果你说的还是实话。为了中华民族的利益你只有不顾个人安危，亲自去北京向中央政府负荆请罪。。。。。。这才能说明你的诚意。中华利益高于个人利益， 尽管你是明人。
Mr. Dalai, I've seen your statement. You're being used by the West, if what you're saying is true. In the interest of the people of the nation of China, all you have to do is disregard the danger to your person and come to Beijing to issue a formal apology to the central government….this would prove that you are in fact sincere. The interest of the nation of China is greater than that of individual interest, even if you are a celebrity.
2008-03-28 17:28:40
这次的事如果不是有预谋，怎么会在西藏，四川以及全球范围的藏独。如果不是你怎么会是喇嘛带头暴乱。并且在暴乱中烧毁中国国旗并高喊藏独口号。你高喊和平，你蒙心自问，你给了西藏什么！“我绝对没有让西藏分裂出去或是在汉藏民族间制造矛盾的图谋。相反地，我时常为寻求西藏问题在汉藏民族长久互利的基础上获得解决而进行努力”这段话我简直不敢相信你竟然这么无耻地说出这番话。
If what's happened now wasn't premeditated, then why is Tibetan independence seen in Tibet, Sichuan and around the world? If it wasn't you then why were lamas leading the riots—as well, during the riots, as burning the Chinese flag and shouting slogans for Tibetan independence? You shout for peace, for inner exploration, but what have you given Tibet! “I assure you I have no desire to seek Tibet’s separation. Nor do I have any wish to drive a wedge between the Tibetan and Chinese peoples. On the contrary my commitment has always been to find a genuine solution to the problem of Tibet that ensures the long-term interests of both Chinese and Tibetans.” I can't even begin to believe that you actually spoke something like this.
无作者 2008-03-28 16:12:23
达赖说我没组织，西藏喇嘛说他们冤枉，暴乱录像里那些喇嘛是怎么回事？中央政府的政策，我就不说了，不光对西藏，有很多中国老百姓都不能理解，那也不是打砸抢的理由呀，
The Dalai says he didn't organize it, but Tibetan lamas say they've been treated unjustly. Well, how does one explain the lamas in the footage of the riots? Central government policies, I'm not even gonna start, but not only for Tibet, many Chinese citizens can't understand them, but that's no reason to go beating, smashing and looting.
无作者 2008-03-28 15:47:33
西藏的事情，说阴谋，其实是阳谋。那么多年来，达赖的政府和他的要求，都是公开的。只不过中国政府把他作为禁忌，不去提它而已。而各位可能在这之前，从来也不会去关注人家西藏人想什么，汉人的冷漠，也是造成今天汉藏对立局面的原因之一。
The Tibet incident, some are saying it was a conspiracy. In fact, it's the opposite. For years, the Dalai government and his demands have been open. It's only the Chinese government that has made him a taboo, one not to be mentioned. And before this, most people probably didn't even pay attention to what Tibetans were thinking, or Han indifference, and that is one of the reasons which gave rise to the Han-Tibetan standoff situation we see today.
无作者 2008-03-28 15:45:12
想请问达赖先生，庙里的这么多和尚都是自愿来当和尚的吗？他们会不会也想上大学，回家过普通人的日子呢？如果他们有这种愿望，寺庙能允许他们这么做吗？
I'd like to ask Mr. Dalai, are all those monks in the temples serving as monks voluntarily? Don't they want to go to university, or to go home and live normal lives? If they had these kinds of desires, would the monastery allow them to go?
山石 2008-03-28 15:42:17
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3.14 藏独事件发生后，充分暴露出西方国家和媒体对中国的仇视和偏见。德国媒体受当其冲。他们就是想在中国制造分裂。企图利用奥运会去达到其卑鄙的目的。令人欣慰的是这件事使中国人，特别是年轻人认清了这些西方人丑恶的嘴脸。他们带头反击。很多国家的留学生都组织了反击的游行和活动。我们也应该行动起来。
Since the March 14 Tibetan independence incident, ample hostility and prejudice towards China has been exposed in Western countries and their media. German media has been the worst. They just want to see China split up. Attempting to use the Olympic Games to achieve their despicable goal. What's gratifying is how this incident has let Chinese people, especially the youth, see clearly these Westerners' ugly faces. The youth have led the counterattack. [Chinese] Exchange students in many countries have organized counterattack protests and demonstrations. We should also rise in action.
无作者 2008-03-28 15:24:14
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不知道达赖先生现在每年有多少收入？都做了什么事情了？说中国政府不透明，那达赖先生你透明给我们看啊！你的财政从哪里来？来了多少？到哪里去了？究竟干了什么事情了！多得花不掉可以捐出给藏区搞学校修寺庙啊，可不要做佛法不容的事情啊！
I'd like to know what Mr. Dalai's annual income is. What do you do with it? You say the Chinese government is not transparent, so Mr. Dalai let's see you show us what being transparent means! Where do your finances come from? How much? Where does it go? Just what do you do with it all? What you don't spend you can donate to the building of schools and restoration of temples in the Tibet region, just don't do things not allowed by Buddhadharma!
无作者 2008-03-28 15:18:51
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中国官方媒体在报道这次事件时，采用编造和歪曲事实真相的宣传方式，其可能引发的难以预测的后果，乃至给未来的民族冲突埋下祸根等 到1959年3月10日拉萨发生和平起义，我本人也被迫流亡他国。 西藏高原是亚洲诸大河流的发源地，因此保护西藏高原的生态环境是至关重要的.() 例如因为对天安门事件没有做出合理公正的处理， 如果实现这一切，我坚信，包括西藏、新疆和内蒙等许多的重大问题都可以得到解决，虽然内蒙的蒙古族只占内蒙古自治区总人口2400万的百分之二十不到。 对此，我呼吁组成具有公信力的独立调查组织，对事件进行彻底调查，澄清事实，查明真相。
When official Chinese media reported this incident, using fabricated and distorted propaganda-style truths, they may have given rise to unforeseeable consequences, maybe even burying a curse for future ethnic clashes. During the peaceful uprising in Lhasa in 1959, I too was driven into exile. The Tibetan plateau is the source for many of Asia's largest rivers, and so protecting the ecosystem on the Tibetan plateau is of utmost importance. [] For example, there has been no reasonable or just resolution to the Tiananmen incident, if there were, I believe, Tibet, Xinjiang and Inner Mongolia and many other major issues could also be resolved, even if the Mongolians in Inner Mongolia only comprise twenty percent of the 24-million population of the Mongolian Autonomous Region. In this regard, I call for the setting up of an independent investigation organization in the public trust, for a thorough investigation into this incident, so that the truth can be brought out.
无作者 2008-03-28 15:16:19
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达赖先生，当您这颗棋子失去作用的时候，西方国家会象对什么来着把您踢开。
Mr. Dalai, when that flag of yours loses purpose, just how will Western countries go about kicking you to the curb?
无作者 2008-03-28 15:14:26
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达赖，你的言语看上去很温柔，很动人。可你怎么到今天也没有发出一封告藏人书呢？哪怕就是发一封告喇嘛书也可以啊？你发给汉人，好像是汉人打砸了你的店铺一样。算了，你也不要想着回去了，我们也不相信你，还是继续到处走走看看，继续你的环球旅游好了。看看德国美国英国哪个人喜欢你，哪个媒体愿意免费给你照相，哪个阴谋政府支持你，你就去好了。我们已经习惯你的旅游了。
Dalai, your words appear very gently, very moving. But how is it that until today you haven't issued a letter to the Tibetan people? Can't you even issue it to the lamas? In sending this to Han Chinese is as though Hans has smashed up your shop. Whatever, but don't you think about going back now, we won't trust you. Just keep on moving and looking, and go on with your world travels. Go see Germany, America and England and see which one likes you most, and which media are willing run your picture for free, and which which conspiratorial government supports you. Just go, we're already used to seeing you travelling.
无作者 2008-03-28 15:13:47
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国共之间杀了多少人，现在又好像是一家了，有真理吗？
With all the people killed between the KMT and the CCP, now it's like they're one family. Is there truth in that?
2008-03-28 15:05:26
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我还想呼吁呼吁达赖喇嘛呢:作为西藏的宗教领袖，你必须对拉萨暴乱负全责并且应当承担全部后果。以为说一句”不是我策划的”就没事了， 没有这么简单，打砸抢烧杀后你呼吁全球华人，你之前干什么去了?! 没这事之前我对你和你的那一套虽没有好感但也不恨你，现在我是鄙视你和所有于你沾边的，我还没来质问你，你竟然来呼吁我。我不是什么名人领袖，也没得过什么国际大奖，我就是一个普通的在海外生活的中国公民，但我可以告诉你，如果我有一天在街上遇见你，我不会对你说Hallo.
I'd like to make my own appeal to the Dalai Lama: as the spiritual leader of Tibet, you must take full responsibility for the Lhasa riots, and ought to accept the full consequences. You though that just saying “it wasn't me who planned this” would get you off? Not so easy. After the beatingsmashinglootingtorchingkilling you call out to Chinese across the world? What about everything you've done up until now?! Before this, although I had no good feelings toward you and your bunch, I didn't hate you either. Now I despise you and everyone around you. I didn't even question you, and you're actually coming appealing to me. I may not me a well-known spiritual leader, and I haven't won any international awards, I'm just an average citizen living overseas. But let me tell you, if I ever meet you on the street one day, I won't be saying hello to you.
无作者 2008-03-28 15:03:58
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那些藏族暴徒在拉萨屠杀的不只是汉人，还有回人。 此仇一定要报！！
Those Tibetan mobsters didn't only slaughter Hans in Lhasa, but Huis as well. There will definitely be revenge for this!!
无作者 2008-03-28 15:02:28
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杀人，放火，当然不对。这个毫无争辩之处。但解决根本的问题，是看造成这一现象的原因。大家有没有问过一下，为什么一夜之间，出来那么多憎恨汉人的藏人，所谓的民族和睦，和谐社会的基础到底有多雄厚。事件过去之后，是应该大家反思的时候了。可惜，到现在很多事情的真相还没有披露出来。连中央政府口口声声说的达赖幕后操纵的证据都看不到。
Killing, arson, of course are wrong. This is not up for debate. But to resolve the root problem is to look at the reasons which gave way to these occurrences. Has anybody asked why, overnight, so many Han-hating Tibetans showed up? This so-called peaceful people, just how solid a base does Harmonious Society have? Once the incident had passed, that should have been the time for people to reflect. Unfortunately, until now, the truth to many things still hasn't come out. Even proof of the central government's statements that the Dalai was operating this from behind the curtain haven't been seen.
无作者 2008-03-28 14:50:35
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不管什么理由，杀害普通平民就是不对。
Whatever the reason, killing common citizens is just wrong.
无作者 2008-03-28 14:38:59
Luegen!
Wolf im Schafpelz!
A wolf in sheep's clothing!
无作者 2008-03-28 14:28:40
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西藏骚动持续将近一天，其实应该问一下，这段时间里，那么多武警去了哪里？
The Tibet disturbances carried on for nearly one day, but actually what should be asked is, during this time, where had all the People's Armed Police [PAP] gone?
无作者 2008-03-28 14:28:00
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这么大的行动？看看录像就知道，整个就是些无知的民众简单地宣泄。
Such a big action? Just look at the footage and you'll see, all of it just was these ignorant mobs' plain catharsis.
无作者 2008-03-28 14:11:23
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这么大的行动，有点知识的人都会知道，一定是有组织有预谋的。这里涉及到时间，地点，规模以及经费。现在，达赖先生又出来向华人呼吁，好像西藏的暴乱是汉人搞出来的。还假装慈悲向在暴乱中丧生的无辜生命表示同情。其实，始作俑者就是你和你的利益集团。如果没有外国势力的介入，你也没有这个能量。你口口声声不反对奥运在北京召开，可是你出的招，是想招招封全世界华人的喉。欲致奥运于死地。败坏中国人的声誉。刚刚看到，德国的女总理宣布不出席北京奥运会的开幕式，不去北京观看比赛。以后还会有别的西方国家做出同样的决定。这首由别人导演，由你唱主角的反华大合唱正式上演了。你怎么向全球的华人交待，又怎能自圆其说？你的所作所为，只能向世界证明你的虚伪本质。
Such a large action, anyone with some knowledge will know that this had to have been organized and premeditated. Here you would look at the time, the place, the scale and the cost. Now, Mr. Dalai steps out and appeals to Chinese people, as if Hans were behind the riots in Tibet. He even pretends to mercifully show sympathy towards those innocent lives lost in the riots. When actually, the instigators were you and your interest groups. If it weren't for the involvement of foreign forces, you wouldn't even have had this capability. You say you don't oppose the Olympics being held in Beijing, but what you're doing is trying to close the mouths of Chinese around the world. You'd love to see the Olympics killed. Undermine the Chinese people's reputations. I just saw that the German president announce that she will not be attending the opening ceremony of the Olympic games in Beijing, and will not be going to watch competitions held in Beijing. There will be more Western nations making similar decisions later. Someone else is directing all this, but you're singing the lead in this anti-China chorus now on stage. How can you deal with the Chinese people around the world, yet justify this? Everything you do only proves to the world your hypocritical nature.
无作者 2008-03-28 13:52:23
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说3-14和达赖有关的，至今只有中国政府，但到现在也没看见有证据拿出来。藏人在3月14日的表现，可以看得出是未经组织，未经预谋的宣泄式的行为，大家可以想想，拉萨多年来都是重兵把守，一次有策划的暴乱也不会愚蠢到拿着藏刀，棍子和石块去和全副武装的武警士兵斗吧，而且烧杀的主要是商店，学校等，哪个有计划的暴乱不是第一时间抢占政府机关和宣传机关呢？
Those saying the Dalai is connected to the March 14 incident, up till now it's only been the Chinese government, yet even now we've still to see them produce any evidence. You can see that the Tibetans' actions on March 14 were not organized, and it was not premeditated cathartic behavior. If people think about it, Lhasa has been under heavy military guard for years, and the one time there's a planned violent incident they foolishly bring out Tibetan daggers, bats and rock chunks to go do battle with fully-armed PAP, right? And the burning deaths mostly took place in shops and in schools. In every planned riot, isn't the first step to commandeer government offices and propaganda outlets?
无作者 2008-03-28 13:45:59
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尊敬的达赖喇嘛先生，看到您的呼吁，让一个普通的中国人无法理解您。您说，您一直支持北京办奥运，可是我看到您的教徒们在世界各地以各种形式呼吁抵制中国奥运！您说您不支持西藏独立，可是我看到您的教徒们在西方主要国家的中国使馆前以各种形式游行示威，甚至自焚，撕碎烧毁中国国旗，挂上西藏的区旗！您说这次暴乱西藏死了135 人，您是否能说说死了多少汉人，死了多少藏人，那些人为什么死去了？！作为西藏喇嘛教的活佛，藏人的精神领袖，您为什么不呼吁您的教徒们停止破坏打砸汉人的商店以及拉萨的街道建筑物等！您为什么不为此次藏人的过激和暴乱行为向所有华人道歉！您为什么不为您的教徒们焚烧国旗向全世界的华人道歉！您的心中真的认为西藏是中国的一部分吗？！您承认您是个中国人吗？！作为佛人应该行其善事。我想每个中国人都不希望西藏从中国分离出去，更不希望任何人在中国举办奥运之时，搞任何不利于中国的各种活动。中国有句古话，家丑不可外扬，家里的是家里解决。您作为藏人的精神领袖，如果真像您自己所说，不寻求西藏独立，支持北京奥运的话，请不要借助西方的反华给中国政府施压。难道您不清楚您多年来正是一颗西方利用的筹码，用来牵制中国的经济发展吗？！古谚道，人之将死其言也善。作为佛家为何不在晚年多做些有益于人类的善事呢？！我想，如果您呼吁藏汉及中国各个民族的同胞们和睦相处，消除隔阂，发展经济，团结对外，会比什么都好。您的一言一行，将受到全世界华人的关注。
Dear Mr. Dalai Lama, I've seen your appeal, and it leaves this common Chinese unable to understand you. You've always supported the Beijing Olympics, but then I see your followers in different places around the world using different approaches to call for the boycotting of the Olympic Games! You say you don't support Tibetan independence, yet I see your followers using various forms of demonstration in front of the Chinese embassies in major Western countries, even self-immolation, ripping and burning the Chinese flag, and hanging up the Tibetan flag! You say that 135 people died in these riots in Tibet, but could you just tell us how many of those dead are Hans and how many are Tibetans, and why those people died?! As the Living Buddha for Tibetan lamas and the Tibetan people's spiritual leader, why didn't you call on your followers to stop destroying, beating and smashing Hans' shops and the buildings on the streets of Lhasa! Why don't you apologize to all the Chinese peoples for the Tibetans' extreme and violent behavior? Why don't you apologize to the Chinese people around the world for your followers' burning of the flag? Deep down do you really feel that Tibet is part of China?! Do you admit that you are Chinese?! As a buddhist you ought to practice benevolence. I don't think there's a single Chinese that wants to see Tibet separate from China, and especially don't want to see any person getting up to any sort of actions against China while China hosts the Olympics. There's an old saying in China, don't hang your dirty laundry outside, these things are best taken care of in-home. As the spiritual leader of the Tibetan people, if you really feel like you've said, and don't advocate for Tibet's independence, but do support the Beijing Olympics, then please, do not rely on the anti-Chinese West to pressure the Chinese government. You surely know that for year's you've just been a bargaining chip used by the West, used to contain China's economic development!! There's an old saying, make amends as you near death. As a buddhist, why don't you do more things beneficial to humankind?! I think that if you called for Tibetans and Hans and all the other ethnic minorities in China to get along peacefully, to break down barriers, to grow economically, to unite inside and out, I think there could be nothing better. Everything you said and do is noticed by Chinese around the world.
无作者 2008-03-28 13:43:53
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难道这次3.14事件与你无关吗?不要自欺欺人.
So what, the March 14 incident had nothing to do with you? Don't delude yourself, or others.
无作者 2008-03-28 13:40:42
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有的藏人扮黑脸，有的藏人扮白脸，难道别人都是傻瓜吗?烧死了汉人还要装菩萨，如果达赖控制不住手下的激进派，和你谈判有什么用。
Some Tibetans put on a bad face, some Tibetans put on a good face. Do they really think everyone else is stupid? They burn Han people to death and still act like they're Bodhisattva? If the Dalai can't control the militants beneath him, what's the point in negotiating with him?
无作者 2008-03-28 13:40:36
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达赖不要求独立只要求自治的设想，大概除了中国人不知道，其他人都知道了。
The Dalai doesn't advocate independence, he only advocates for autonomy. Except for the Chinese who don't know this, pretty much everybody knows this now.
无作者 2008-03-28 13:32:33
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说一套，做一套。是害怕自己的罪行马上被揭露出来了吧。是君子的话，就为中国的发展做出些像样的事，才能不愧佛法的本性。
Say one thing and do another. You're not afraid your crimes are immediately about to be exposed, are you? If you were a gentleman, you'd do a few proper things for China's development. That then would be living up to buddhadharma.
2008-03-28 13:30:40
很好的文章!!
达赖先生,你的话实在动听,可是,你敢保证拉萨事件与你无关吗?
Mr. Dalai, your words are really pleasing, only, could you just promise that the Lhasa incident had nothing to do with you?
无作者 2008-03-28 13:28:16
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为什么要残酷杀害无辜的人来平息自己的愤怒呢？ 如果这是某个宗教的主张， 那么这个宗教组织就是邪恶的； 如果这是某个政治组织的主张， 那么这个组织就是邪恶的。 从您的话语里， 看不到佛教徒的悲悯。如果别人的生命在你的眼里如草芥， 那么你们的命运在别人的眼里也就和飞蛾一般。
Why do innocent people need to be cruelly murdered to appease your own rage? If this is some kind of religious position, then this religious organization is just evil. If this is some political organization's position, then this organization is evil. Judging from your words, I don't see any Buddhists' sympathy. If other people's lives are worth nothing in your eyes, then in other people's eyes, your fate might as well just be that of a moth's.
无作者 2008-03-28 13:18:59
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如果达赖是真诚的，请你发个告全体藏民书。要他们接受西藏是中国不可分裂的一部分。在中华人民共和国的宪法内争取自己的权利。只要你能亲身回国和政府和谈，我就支持你！中华人民共和国56个民族是一家，藏族是这个家庭的一分子。发表支持中国政府对暴力活动和分裂活动者按中国的法律，在法律框架下制裁！
If the Dalai is sincere, I request that you write a letter to the Tibetan people. Make them accept that Tibet is an inseparable part of China. Let them struggle for their own rights based on the constitution of the People's Republic of China. As soon as you come home for talks with the government, I'll support you! The 56 minorities of the People's Republic of China are one family, of which [ethnic] Tibetans are just one part. Express written support for the Chinese government's adherence to Chinese law in dealing with violent and splittist activities, as sanctioned by the legal framework!
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达赖先生，您的行动呢？多年来您游走世界各地与西方反华势力勾结，自家兄弟之间的矛盾，为什么要这样大的动作。说实话，汉藏之间的关系是血浓于水的，真正的敌人到来的时候，只有中华人民共和国才是您的强大的靠山。多年来您寄人篱下，连一张属于自己的床都没有，谁真正收留了您？这样的日子难道您还没有过够吗？我听一位老人说，您是一位极其有知识的人，因此以您的见解，西藏能够独立吗？不说您也明白，西藏过去没有独立过，难道在今天强大的中华人民共和国的手里会独立吗？一个主权国家维护自己的领土完整是最她起码的义务。您一直在被西方国家当枪使唤，古稀之年还不能回家真的是很可怜。
Mr. Dalai, was this your movement? For years you've travelled the world colluding with anti-Chinese Western forces. For a conflict between two brothers, why was such a large action needed? To be honest, blood is thicker than water when it comes to the relationship between Han and Tibetan, and when the real enemies come, the only strong backing you will have to fall upon is the People's Republic of China. You've been living off others for years now, and you don't even have a bed to call your own. So who really shelters you? Haven't you had enough of living like this? One elder told me that you are an exceptionally knowledgeable person, so in your view, do you really think Tibet can be independent? Even if you don't say so, I think you understand. Tibet wasn't independent in the past, so do you really think it can be independent today from the strong hand of the People's Republic of China? For a sovereign nation, maintaining territorial integrity is her most basic obligation. You've always been a weapon to be used at will by western countries, and for you to be unable to return home even in your seventies is a true shame.
I recognize Dalai’s claim for autonomy instead of independence, which has been repeated reported and praised as a proof of his intention for peace (the newest issue of the New Yorker calls him ‘Holy Man’ for this, for an instance).
However, what’s not been reported is, he laid out some prerequisites for this “autonomy”: no Chinese army (well, barely understandable), Tibet maintains its own diplomatic policy (is this not independence?), and what’s more, ALL OTHER ETHNICS MOVE OUT of Tibet AND part of the provinces of Gansu, Sichuan and Yunnan. The total area is roughly 1/4 of the whole China. That’s just outrageous. Maybe few people other than Tibetan lived in Tibet before 1950, but the other places have long been inhabited by a lot of different ethnic groups, more people in those places were in fact non-Tibetans.
His claim for autonomy, in my view, is just a hoax and bait. It won him a Nobel price, a lot of compassion and innocent admirers. But does he really want peace, as he claimed? God knows, I say no.
Don’t believe this? Do your research and you will find it. I am not a liar.
And I am a Chinese, and this is my response to Dalai Lama’s appeal.
I totally agree with the Dalai Lama’s points, in the sense that what is unbearable at all for me, may not be the CCP’s policy over Tibet, but they’ve always been lying!
I think the point is, it’s nothing about different opinions on religion or culture, nor even about independence, but the CCP’s refusal to democracy.
fuck cnn!
cnn is shameful!
fuck cnn
fuck-cnn!
Chinese, please go to dalai’s own webpage and send email to him directly too!
many good reading can be found by google Dalai lama CIA
i quote http://www.greenleft.org.au/1996/248/13397
“Their commitment to human rights, democracy and support for genuine self-determination can only be judged from their actions and their willingness to tell the truth. “
Too bad… Tibetans all speaks perfect English but can not read Chinese…
@fridayinlove: the Dalai Lama’s conditions have become far smaller in the past few years. I suggest you do some reading yourself:
http://tinyurl.com/3e4y54
http://twofish.wordpress.com/2008/03/29/notes-on-the-dalai-lamas-appeal-to-the-chinese-people/
here is an interesting in the dalai appeal letter. well, the blogger is assuming he appeals to the non-tibetan chinese people, while the intended audience might be the westerners instead.
Thanks sun bin, I’ve added it to the GVO Tibet protests special coverage page.
@davesgonechina
Thanks for providing the article, I read it and found it supportive of my view: Dalai Lama’s appeal for peace insincere. The article gave out a number of proofs of the inconsistent calls from Dalai Lama, how he rejected opportunities for talk when condition was in favor of him and how he lowered standards when things turn the other way. And we can now see his requirements and conditions were always based on carefully weighted calculations of how the international current was, how much China might offer and what he could get. Of course, all shrewd politicians do it the same way, but at the same time their appeal should be regarded political PR, not sincere call for peace.
I like his recent move to set lower prices and I hope a talk can be done quickly to achieve an agreement, although unlikely. After all, he is an old man and dying far away from home is cruel. But I have to ask, had he done this 20 years ago when CCP was likely to engage in real talks, how much better things might have been. And now he has set the price so high for so many years, when he lowers it even his own followers refuse to accept it. Tibet Youth Congress is getting out of his control, young generation fed with the “independence” idea growing now seek violent approaches. Dalai Lama may be religiously a holy symbol, but as a politician, he appears just always crafty but futile.
It is pathetic for Chinese to trail the same line as their govt. Before 1949, you don’t have the notion of the China as you have today. It once only after PLA’s so-called peaceful liberation that Tibet was illegally occupied. And many of its lands were newly included in Chinese provinces of Gansu, Sichuan and Yunnan. Even if Tibetans ask for these, why worry, since it never belonged to the Chinese.
Thankfully, the Dalai Lama has accepted to come forward and change future for good of both Tibetans and Chinese by giving up independence. But Chinese leaders are adamant at forcing him to re-write the history. And that’s horrible! Chinese civilization may be one of the oldest and greatest, but if this is what constitutes greatness, I pray that I not be born as a people of such a “civil”-ization.
yuck, phun trash do a little research before you say anything. And if you don’t know, don’t try join a discussion by lying, because it’s pathetic. Unlike Tibet, which was under a debatable suzerainty/proxy in-and-out control by Chinese, Gansu, Yunnan, Sichuan were always Chinese territories and were under direct control.
I know, next time you will say Beijing Shanghai were never included in Chinese history and were illegally invaded by PLA. Just go back daydreaming, don’t make yourself laughable. Unlike the gullible crowd surrounding you, there are people with sound historical knowledge here.
真是搞不懂，安稳日子不过要搞独立，还拉了帮不得事的年轻人，在那里瞎起哄！你要独立就是为了你所谓的民主，自由？你自己看看你的行为的当地群众的伤害！！dalai你在西方反华人眼里充其量也就是个小丑，而且还是个不要脸的小丑，你只能给他们找点政治题材而已．不要和我们说你是中国人，我们丢不起这个脸！！！
why you didn’t post my comment? only a piece of information ignored by many. it must be that it is not to your “taste.” Sorry, now i know you do have a hinden agenda.
Violence in Tibet was pre-meditated, just not by Tibetans:
“http://www.strategypage.com/militaryforums/69-30601.aspx”
Down with China!
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“I’m right and you’re wrong” is assuredly the phrase going through the minds of every activist on both sides of this issue. That’s the most disheartening part of it all.
Perhaps after arguing over who the good guys, bad guys, and whatevers are, we can start talking about matters of actual, pertinent value, such as the process of peacemaking in Tibet.
It’s a damn shame that progress only ever gets done after people have had their fill of blaming and bickering.
我们的学校里有很多来自少数民族的学生，我们一起生活从未发生过所谓的仇视，我们一起吃饭一起上课从未发生过所谓的隔离与隔阂，西方国家有种族歧视，并不代表我们国家有种族歧视，我们当中有很多的同学都希望自己是一名少数民族学生，这样我们就可以享受很多汉族所不享有的优惠政策和权利，比如在升学考试的时候少数民族的学生可享有加20分以上分数的待遇，如四川省云南省的很多少数民族，国家每年都会免费发给他们黄金和白银，因为他们需要这些作为首饰，我们巴不得国家也给我们分一些呢，如果真如达赖所说的，我们早在很多年前就被各民族同胞所推翻了，尤其在文革期间还会等你们这些暴徒来“起义”。天大的笑话！你们要调查就来我们的学校看看，来我们日常生活的环境看看，不要不禁调查就在那边睁眼说瞎话！只要有良心的人都可以理解西方国家为什么对中国进行污蔑，不就是怕我们发达后，翻他们的旧债吗！向他们讨回公道吗！尽可放心，我们中国人向来秉持着以德报怨的高贵品德，不会象某些西方大国那样，奸淫百姓，掠夺他人财物，还口口生生说为我们保管，文化无国界！而且达赖的种种行为，在曾经在中国生活过的国际友人眼中都是破绽百出，更何况是我们这些中国老百姓呢。我只想说的是某些西方国家，不要自己是傻子，也把全世界的人民都当成傻子，公道自在人心，谎言总有一天会被拆穿的！
Seems that there are many Han people who think the Dalai Lama and his followers are targeting Han people for revenge or retribution. Remember how Han people felt when Japan subjugated China? Now China subjugates Tibet. Did Han people want to be in Japans empire, no! Do Tibet people want be in China’s empire NO WAY!
“Do not do to others that which you would not have done to you”
Free Tibet NOW!
after writing my previous response I went to make a cup of tea. It is important for me to state publicly my positiion regarding The war perpetrated on the people of Iraq;
I knew that George W. Bush would take my country to a war, before it happened. It was obvious to many in my country long before it actually occurred. I am against it now and I have been against it from the beginning. I have been against our whole foreign policy for years. I have the same stance on our occupation of Iraq as the Chinese occupation of Tibet, there is no difference.
Here is an article written by Patrick French, who severely criticized the Chinese government policy in Tibet and wrote the book “Tibet, Tibet : A Personal History Of A Lost Land”.
He is the former director of Free Tibet Campaign in London. Here is what he says about the 1.2 million killings most of the hard-line “free tibet” organizations and hollywood actors throw around.
“These groups hate criticism almost as much as the Chinese government does. Some use questionable information. For example, the Free Tibet Campaign in London (of which I am a former director) and other groups have long claimed that 1.2 million Tibetans have been killed by the Chinese since they invaded in 1950. However, after scouring the archives in Dharamsala while researching my book on Tibet, I found that there was no evidence to support that figure.”
Here is the link to the article on NYTimes.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/22/opinion/22french.html
Bravo freedom of speech.
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The Han Chinese are blinded by nationalism, just like what had happened decades ago during the Chinese Revolution.
I’ve been to Tibet and I could see that the Tibetans are not happy to see a large influx of Chinese immigrants to Tibetan. Yes, there is economic development but the money goes to the Han Chinese, not the Tibetans, as many parts of Tibet are still plagued by poverty.
It is a shame to see the Chinese government, instead of addressing the problems and improving the living standards of the Tibetans, has reacted irresponsibly by shifting all the blame for the protests to the Dalai Lama.
The idea of independent investigation is a good one actually. The problem is that there are no parties who are completely clean from this matter to carry out the investigation. The so called Free Tibet movement have been on record funded by the CIA until early 1970s, and without doubt are funded off the record by the CIA, Taiwan intelligence agency, and likely the Indian intelligence agency as well. It’s pretty obvious that the protests have been planned out a little too well for a bunch of monks supposedly without access to modern technologies, especially given the difficulty of organizing political protests in China. Yet, will any type of “independent investigation” even bother to look into the money trails of these protests which will likely to be traced back to the foreign governments?
In the US, if some lobbyist obtains money from a foreign government and donate that money to a local politician, that lobbyist will be arrested and put into jail. In fact, most countries have similar laws. If an investigation find that foreign governments are still supporting the Free Tibet Movement, would the world then support the so called crackdown on Tibetans just like they would support the jailing of their own countrymen found receiving foreign government’s money to influence local politics?
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John, neither photo you presented is from anti-cnn.com - aren’t you guilty of the same thing? Anti-cnn’s sticky post in forum makes it clear what is the purpose of the site, and discourages any personal attack.
Why don’t you cover that perspective? So much for balance.
John, can you at least give anti-CNN a fair shake?
There are postings praising the western media when reports were fair and balanced. You should check it out.
Hi Charles,
The second anti-CNN manages to reconcile the fact that there is even much more dire need for an “anti-Xinhua” or “anti-CCTV”, then I and a whole lot of other people might just begin taking their whole idea seriously.
As for those photos not being from anti-CNN.com, I think that’s pretty obvious. Have you followed either of the two links given on those photos? What’s the first thing you see on either of those threads? I don’t think anybody has the time to scour each and every thread on anti-cnn.com to see if those two photos can also be found there, but if you’re willing to state that they are wholly unrepresentative of the other images to be found right now on anti-cnn.com, I would only reply that they most likely got deleted by accident, because a number of “off-message” threads have been deleted. Your comment reads like you’re suggesting that there is no extremism or violent imagery in general to be found on anti-cnn.com, and if that’s the case I can quickly find you many anecdotal examples to prove such a statement wrong.
If you have time, please see the question I threw out here.
Only reasonable conclusion I can draw from the biased responses given above to HH the Dalai lama’s open letter to chinese brothers and sisters is that atleast above chinese people are allergic ( or even afraid! )to seek the truth. I know there are many who are not.Let’s be objective leaving aside ours superficial emotions and try to inform from different sources not only relying on the Chinese government rhetoric propaganda machine. This is 21st century, we are in full era of globalization where ultra nationalism has little space to play if we are to have a world peace. Dialouge is the only mean to overcome misundersatnding, which means one should also listen to what other has to say and to question what is not clear. Not just barking bad words which shows lack of confidence in confronting the reality. Not knowing is harmful but misknowing is still more dangerous. Peace
Only reasonable conclusion I can draw from the biased responses given above to HH the Dalai lama’s open letter to chinese brothers and sisters is that atleast above chinese people are allergic ( or even afraid! )to seek the truth. I know there are many who are not.Let’s be objective leaving aside ours superficial emotions and try to inform from different sources not only relying on the Chinese government rhetoric propaganda machine. This is 21st century, we are in full era of globalization where ultra nationalism has little space to play if we are to have a world peace. Dialouge is the only mean to overcome misundersatnding, which means one should also listen to what other has to say and to question what is not clear. Not just barking bad words which shows lack of confidence in confronting the reality. Not knowing is harmful but misknowing is still more dangerous. Peace
John, perhaps it is advisable, when you generalize “anti-CNN crowd”, use those “many anecdotal examples” that are acutally from anti-CNN.
It’s like CNN using photo from Napal, but lable it Lhasa, eh?
I hope you can see the truth is somewhere in between. But then again I’m not the one claiming legitmacy of the New Media yet forgo the resonsibility of basic jouralistic integrety.
don’t forhet that Dalai is a representitave of slavery. all Chinese people hate slavery! please yankee recover slavery if you like.
“The second anti-CNN manages to reconcile the fact that there is even much more dire need for an “anti-Xinhua” or “anti-CCTV”, then I and a whole lot of other people might just begin taking their whole idea seriously.”
Ha. I think you should definitely start up such a site, and you will be able to prove.. what the whole world already know: Chinese government controlled media is biased.
whole world knows the issues about china’s violation of human rights. the main objective of the Tibetan people is to have autonomous government, not independent. they never used any form of weapon during their protest, so we find no reason for the Chinese police opening fire against monks. All we need is peace and it can be resolve only if Chinese government take more humane decision.
i in my own small ways express my deep solitude over the Tibetan tragedy. i mournfully offer my prayers to those who lost their lives in the recent tragedy.
MAY PEACE PREVAIL ON EARTH.
Dalai Lama is Chinese Ben Laden althrough he deny himself Chinese.the only difference is that Ben Laden’s target is western people, but Dalai Lama’s targer is the people from his country.
Dalai Lama is the head of the Tibet terrorist . he should be captured immediately as Benladen.
who respect Dalai Lama as a god is idiot. he is politician, terrist and killing inciting.
to all CNN audience:
do not trust media absolutely, CNN is an example, fake, unture,and cheating.
the world is colourful and complicated. use your head, listen the different voice, then draw your condition.orelse, it just shows you r not mature, too young !!!!!!!!!
The CNN is fake and unreliable, at least Americans in the States can still go to http://www.Anti-CNN.com and understand what the Chinese think about the western media.
And how about your poor fellows in China? They can’t even go to Wikipedia.org, search “dalai lama” and the internet connection will be disconnected for 10 seconds.
There’s a Chinese saying 五十步笑百步, and now it’s your turn to 百步笑五十步。
When you accused the western media being biased, why don’t you have the gut to tell CCTV to shut down their news? When you hear Wang Ning 王宁 saying so much stuff about “Weida de dang” (Greatest Party), don’t you feel ashamed?
The real Chinese way of thinking used to be 责人以严，待己以宽, and you guys at Anti-CNN.com is doing it in the non-Chinese way. You guys aren’t really patriotic, you are just nationalistic fools.
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To Pazu,
I do not know what you are, perhaps hiding from some personal grievences.
We are patriotics, and you are the one that have an emty heart, that’s why you are even on this page. If you don’t respect this blog, GET OUT!!!!!
To pazu, we certainly do NOT need your approval to be Chinese patriots!!!! Get a life and get lost!!!!
Pazu, what you and your ilk don’t seem to understand is that anti-cnn site never claims to be unbiased and it’s whole purpose is to point out that the Western Media is biased. Other than the “anti-cnn’s analysis blows things out of proportion” type of remarks I don’t find many people to actually challenge the findings on that site. Do you always like to shoot the messenger when you can’t win by reasoning?
BTW, Just because you don’t know much about internet proxies doesn’t mean that others don’t as well. If Chinese people cannot get access to foreign media about Tibet, how the hell did they gather evidence to create anti-cnn?
#42, Most people in China couldn’t even come to this page because it was blocked in China by the Golden Shield firewall, because of the “keywords” filter, you can’t even write some sensitive article in Tianya Forums. Even if you have proxies, your posts or even your login account would be banned, perhaps the police would come and give you some trouble.
There was a true story, a personal account of my friend, she sent a picture of the protests of coal workers through QQ, just for fun, well, not really like exposing the dark side of the China, and she claimed she was also patriotic. But it doesn’t matter, her home was visited by some police after less than an hour!
What sort of proxies are you using? Wujie Ultrasurf? TOR? Or some sorts of web anonymizer? If you truly believe that you have freedom on the internet with the proxies, you don’t understand China and the system. They can still track your IP through Java or Flash etc, these are not really safe.
Also, proxies are godsend but most of my friends didn’t know anything about proxies.
I think it’s just meaningless to argue this fact, are you going to prove that the Chinese internet policy is very open? It’s simply ridiculously hilarious.
#40 said, “you are the one that have an emty heart, that’s why you are even on this page. If you don’t respect this blog, GET OUT!!!!!”
You are actually on this page too so you have an empty heart?
What do you want to prove?
Your education didn’t teach you how to think critically.
You brought shame to the Chinese community.
Pazu,
In post #39 you tried to discredit anti-cnn site by arguing that 1)Chinese themselves cannot even search “dalai lama”, in your own words and 2)Why don’t anti-CNN folks make anti-CCTV.
My point was to shoot down your arguments as plain stupid, which covered majority of the words in my post #42. You on the other hand, seem want to get into a piss contest about who knows more about proxies and the Chinese internet firewall. Ironically, it’s people like you and those who defend the biased Tibetan coverage who have successfully driven more Chinese people into a patriotic/nationalistic rage which you condemn. IMO you guys have set back the democratic movement in China by at least 5 years.
urchinese freind; stop using the term “you and your ilk” the same term can be used to refer to you
From Knights
This is fun!
CNN =
Conspiracy News Network
Corrupted News Network
Creepy News Network
Controlling Narrow-minded News
Campaign Negative News
Consumer Negligence Network
Chinese Negative news
Confused Nonsense News
Contributing Negligence News
Confined Nazi Network
BBC = Biased Based company
Belligerent Based Campaign
Bad Bully/Bullshit Corp
Bad Behavior Company
Bribery Bait Corp
Barbarian Base Camp
From Mutapha
CNN =
Cafferty’s Nude Network
Cheap News Network
Credibility Non-existent Network
Caterpillar News Network
Cockroach News network
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BBC =
Baby Brains Corporation
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Bye Bye corporation
Put them in bed together, it is Credibility Non-existent Network Bye Bye Corporation
1. from Maja:
The root of the problem is: the West Had the most media control (so they blame on China media control ?) and knowledge coverage. But the catch is: They all see from their point of view, and not the actual, true point.How many of them actually SEE China (and other parts of the world as well)? So what they see is what they get, particularly from Bab Biased Coverage (BBC) and Crooked News Network (CNN)
So this medias will bring their followers into black tunnels and say, well there is no light.
Also the Indians should know that they have some long, historic wisdom. but they are using Western languages for knowledge acquiring, since their old languages are no more relevant. So they only follow what the West say. What a regret and shame, like an old man lead by a mischievous kid.
2. May 2nd, 2008 at 15:55 pm
fromMaja
If the Western Medias truly want to do justice to the world, just pay more attention to the damage they had done to the world: wars, slavery, colonization, wealth robbery, civilization destruction, indirect government control, pollution etc, etc…
The West is actually a Great Sinner if you see the bigger picture. They did the sin and tell others not to do it. They shut their BIG sins and magnify others’ small mistakes.
All we can do is to open our eyes and mind-see beyond what they present.
3. May 2nd, 2008 at 17:55 pm
From mustapha:
Interesting that you mentioned Sudan. The hypocrisy there is precious oil. Sudan has good political and economic relations with China for very long time. So part of the economic relations involved oil exploration and exploitation joint ventures with Chinese oil companies which Sudan is rich in oil deposits.
Is the Sudanese Government going to resile on their agreement with Chinese on these oil production sharing agreement after decades of friendships? The answer is no. That means US and European oil companies got locked out of these opportunities. So how to get in? The old game called “divide and conquer”. Mia Farrow and the likes of her has an agenda to dislodge China’s economic interest in Sudan. Her position is that China’s has “strong economic ties” with Sudan (careful not to mention oil of course) and should use this economic relations to lever or arm-twist the Sudanese Government in Dafur. If China acted on her demand compliance, it will break economic ties with Sudan and risks all its economic relations in Africa. The US companies and European business will move in to exploit the gap.
Darfur is just a hypocritical front of human rights used by western powers to rule China, Sudan and Africa. Why do you think George Bush Jnr went to visit Africa this year? It is economic resources they are after. If the West really care for Dafur or anytime in their miserable history of tribal killings and ethnic cleansing in Africa, the West could easily achieve “democracy” and “human rights” thing the way they did by military intervention in Iraq and former Yugoslavia ( so quick after the death of President Tito).
What is to stopped them from air-drop tens of thousands of paratroops and secure the place, then provide food, medical and health care for the last 10 years and maybe hold elections for those refugees as well to give them “freedom”? They won’t because such an adventure costs Uncle Sam money and loss of international respect. The place where the refugees are living in tents are near Sudan’s border with Chad HAS GOT NO OIL. So why goes to war unlike Iraq. So the only way to takeover the oil interest is to destroy the Sudanese Government and they want China to wield the butcher knife for them. So they can go in later and exploit Sudan and claims that their hands are not blood-stained.
They want China to fight its friends in Africa and they go in like we are great saviors. is this not obvious to the informed mind? Did Mia Farrow and US Governments really care for African people? I says that is a load of excrement again of public theatre just like Hollywood always been.
If you know real history, when Nelson Mandela overthrown the Aparthied regime of De Klerk, did the fatherly Uncle Sam came along with their big bags of money and technical assistance to resuscitate that improverished nation? Mandela visited US with a begging bowl mentality, he came home with nothing. Mandela also visited Japan, asked for financial help from Japanese Government ( remember in the Aparthied regime of De Klerk, the Japanese people there are treated as preferential “whites” and the Chinese as “black” ), he got also nothing. Finally, Mandela begged for some money to pay for his air fare expense, he got also nothing from the Japanese Government. Some Japanese business with South African business interest gave Mandela the air-fare. How funny is human rights, you wondered?
The West championed for human rights and democracy, you certainly got democracy in Venezuela, why is it the Uncle Sam is politically at war with the Venezeula Government now? It is because this Government refused to kow tow to US foreign policy of demand complaince and not repecting another society rights to decide how they want to live and relate to the rest of the world!! Human rights and democracy?? Another 2 buckets of bullshits.
Of course, Uncle Sam loves India - very democratic since its independence in 1947. China became united after its civil war in 1951. For next 25 years, China chose self-isolation and ignored the West. Did India make any progress in that 25 years of head start with help from democracy loving USA, Europe or Australia?
It was a damm hard struggle, economically, in India - Did Uncle Sam, Great Britain ( its former colonial ruler) came round with buckets of money and technical assistance? None!!!. India can struggle with poverty, misery and mass hunger on its own. Maybe, the West does not know how to spell the words “human rights” then.
Britain partitioned the sub-continent into East Pakistan ( now Blangadesh) West Pakistan and India leaving them to fight over Kashmir. Since both Pakistan and India had parliamentary democracy, the Western power let them fight wars - never mind the killings and destructions harming human rights needs for food, shelter and safety.
And Guess what happened after 25 years since India’s independence? China opened up. Its economy booming now. India suddenly woke up and thinking they could catch up but I don’t think so. Why?
India followed the British model of parliamentary democracy - every big decision is consultative, deliberative, negotiate and bribery of powerful political vest interest and if they cannot agree, nothing moves. In China, it is the opposite. The West would called tough political and economic decisions taken as ” no human rights” and “no democracy” and “no freedom of choice”. Chinese Government follow the Singapore model - if it is good for the country, just do it, the benefits will come later FOR ALL PEOPLE TO ENJOY. Chinese government will clear slums, farmland, demolished suburbs etc and build fantastic infrastructures of airport, road, railway, bridges etc. And what happened?
Foreign businesses saw it - wow, everythign works, power utilities, transport and communication - first-world standards just like Singapore, faster move in with big investments and make money on cheap Chinese labour before the Japanese move in!!! China economic boom!! and still is booming.
In India, big contrast. Ask any businessman who travelled to China and India now. They will tell you the big difference. You can visit and sit on a cab for 2 hours in Mumbai (big commercial capital of India almost) for a short distance., frustrated, in the traffic jam, narrow road, slums everywhere, beggars, no development of infrastructure, how to do business??
Of course the West happy, no competition to their industries unlike China!!! Democracy in India is good for the West - it hinders India rapid economic development and condemn its masses of popluation to grinding poverty for another century. In China, US businesses makes lots of money, but we better oppress them NOW with human rights bullshit and exploit their cheap labour while we can.
And don’t let them develop any further - IT IS DANGEROUS!!! What BETTER WAY to destroy China than by sowing seeds of internal dissent of human rights, let them fight among themselves like Yogoslavia and we walk in to own salves again like the 18 century?. Deja vu!! (Like we see it before)
As for why USA dropped atom bomb on Japan, not Germany. Well, Germany, ALREADY DEFEATED, is contested ground with Russians. The new enemy is soviet communism - remember the Berlin War that came after WW2. Secondly, Japan brought the 2nd WW right up to American doorstep - Pearl Harbour. So it is nice revenge and a life-long warning, don’t touch us again!!!. Remember General MacArthur said in Philippines, I will be back! And he was replaced by President Harry Truman during the Korean War after planning to drop the atom bomb on China during the Korean War as well. MacArthur is a war monger who loves war, not human rights. Final reason is US chose its enemy to strike brutally.
You see the same mentality in Yugoslavia. The US with its precision technology bombed Chinese embassy -which is really China territory in Yugoslavia. No other country’s embassy got bombed. I believe a hidden message in there. We divide and destroy Tito’s Yugoslavia, you will be next unless you comply with our demand for compliance.
You see that in Afghanistan - Taleban was friend of George Bush Snr and an enemy of George Bush Jnr. US backed Saddam Hussien against Iran and turned against Saddam Hussein for Kuwaiti oil and Iraqi oil at the same time. Saudi Arabia is a monarchy, not a democracy, why no human rights and democracy push there?
Very simple, they pumped more oil to help USA when oil price rise too high. It is oil politics, human rights and democracy is just excrements to throw against those who will not “kow tow” to US and European powers.
This is real politik, human rights is just bullshit and CNN and western media is just part of that organised orchestrated action and “weapon of mass destruction” to regain imperialism and colonialism.
Stay tune
IN DEED WE NEED FREE SPEECH, NOT FROM CHINA
-WE NEED FREE SPEECH TO EDUCATE THE WESTERNERS ABOUT CHINA’S PRESENT CONDITIONS (THERE’S ONLY SO MUCH WE CAN DO, IF THE WESTERNERS CHOOSE TO BE BLIND AND DEAF, IT’S LIKE SINGING TO COWS.)
-WE NEED FREE SPEECH TO HAVE OUR VOICES HEARD BY CNN/BBC WESTERN BIASED MEDIAS AND GOVERNMENT CONSPIRACIES.
-WE NEED FREE SPEECH TO BE ABLE TO PRACTICE PATRIOTISM WITHOUT BEING CALLED NAMES LIKE CCP BRAINED-WASHED MACHINES, GOONS, THUGS, ETC
-WE NEED FREE SPEECH FROM PEOPLE WHO ONLY ALLOWS FREE SPEECH TO CONSENTING VOICES ON THE DOUBLE-STANDARD DEMOCRATIC SYSTEM!
P.S. If you are NOT Chinese, and as long as you live, you will never ever understand what it means to have Chinese blood flowing in your body from a 5000+ years old civilization!!!! Patriotism and Unity are more important than individual’s will. If we have to choose between One UNITED CHINA and other options, we will choose UNITY, no ifs, no buts!
You can reincarnate (Buddhist believes in reincarnation) next life time to experience being Chinese. If you are from very few Chinese traitor group who do not appreciate being Chinese, you are welcome to dream about reincarnating to whatever you wish!
Westerners, you do NOT need to feel threatened, we only want what has belonged to China for hundreds and thousands of years stay intact. We are not invading any countries like U.S.A invaded Iraq this millennium! We do not want to be like greedy U.S.A, Canada, France, Germany, Brittain, Australia et al trying to stir trouble, and split up other countries. We just ask to be left alone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We will handle our internal affairs!!!!!
YOU ARE JUST HUMAN, YOU ARE NOT GOD, GOD YOU ARE NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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