The relations between Bulgaria and Macedonia are no less complex and incomprehensible than those between Greece and Macedonia, although lately the former get less media exposure than the latter. The main problem between Sofia and Skopje is, once again, history.
To Bulgarians, the Macedonians were part of the Bulgarian nation until the beginning of the 20th century, when a large part of Macedonia fell under Serbian domination after the Balkan wars. Then, due to Serbia’s policy in the region and the doctrine of Macedonism, changes in the mindset of the local population occurred, leading to the forming of the Macedonian nation. The Comintern and Stalin’s stance on the issue also contributed to this result.
Macedonians, on the other hand, consider themselves an entirely separate nation, heir to an ancient people. They accuse their Bulgarian neighbours of having been an occupation power in their land and claim that Sofia is trying to appropriate parts of the history of Macedonia, like, for instance, King Samuil, St. Kliment Okhridski, the revolutionary Gotze Delchev, etc.
Bulgarians address similar accusations to Macedonia.
Contention is even further exacerbated by fears on the part of Macedonia that Sofia seeks to “assimilate” the Macedonians, while Bulgarians suspect their neighbours in seeking to annex Pirin region, which is part of the so-called Greater Macedonia.
All these contradictions have spilled over into the virtual space and sparked a permanent “war” over history between Bulgarian and Macedonian bloggers – a war that often exceeds the rules of “bon ton.” And the Bulgarian blogosphere, too, is debating the question of what should be Bulgaria's attitude towards Macedonia.
Blogger Peter Stoykov writes (BUL):
Some arguments about whether Macedonia is or has been part of Bulgaria, whether there exist a Macedonian language, nationality, the Macedonian question, and Bulgarian national interest in Macedonia… Historians, politicians and, most of all, internet morons are competing in speaking nonsense on the issue, as though their lives depend on that.
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Is Macedonia Bulgarian?
No, it is not Bulgarian, it’s Macedonian. And I will tell you why, but I will first look back in time. In 2001, a regular census took place in Australia. Precisely then a Star Wars episode was released and as you know, there are many people crazy about this film. So, in the “Ethnicity” box in the census questionnaire some wisecracks wrote “Jedi”… […] What does this have to do with Macedonia? If Macedonians want to call themselves Macedonians, they have an indisputable right to do so.
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So, what shall we do with the Macedonian question?
As a matter of fact, I am even glad that Macedonia is not part of Bulgaria and that a number of years ago it was torn away from Bulgaria and given over to Yugoslavia. Bulgaria, as our politicians have always been happy to say, “is a focus of stability on the Balkans” – unrest is boiling around us, there were fights and fission in Yugoslavia, Kosovo has been on the table, the Greeks fought with the Turks over Cyprus, Turks are fighting the Kurds, they have even crossed over the border into Iraq, five years ago Albanians made something which was very close to a revolution in Macedonia, fire was exchanged there.
If Macedonia were part of Bulgaria, we would be part of this madness.
Another renowned blogger, Peter Dobrev, responds (BUL):
“Macedonia is the cradle of the Bulgarian national spirit. And even if it is to become its grave, we will never give up the fight for its liberation.” This was the title with which the then large-circulation Outro newspaper appeared on the eve of the Balkan war. This used to be the dominant opinion until 1944 (when the communists took the power in Bulgaria). Today, however, regardless of the fact that Bulgaria in theory should have left the ideological constructs of totalitarianism, the memory of Macedonia has faded so much that it turns into polar extremes.
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No wonder then that blogger Peter Stoykov thinks that there is no Macedonian question, that Macedonia is Macedonian, and whoever says the opposite is “an internet moron.”
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Everybody has a God-given right of self-determination – as a Jedi, Eskimo or Macedonian. When, however, it’s a matter of general national significance, of causes that have cost the lives of thousands and matters that have changed the fate of a half of a people, it’s good to speak with a little understanding and knowledge. It’s necessary to separate personal opinion from the objective historical fact…
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Just as everybody knows today that Alexander the Great was a Greek, so it is indisputable that all leaders of the Macedonian organisations after 1878 (the year of the Berlin congress and the subsequent liberation/emancipation of Bulgaria) were Bulgarians. These leaders, as well as the people as a whole, have always spoken of themselves as Bulgarians, and they have been seen as such by the foreign observers. All foreign observers, even the Serbian ones.
These two opinions sum up the main social attitudes in relation to Macedonia. The majority of Bulgarians have no claims to its neighbour, nor do they want to interfere in its domestic affairs, but many are irritated by the Macedonian blackmail to give up a part of their history and want the historic truth established. Similar voices are heard in Macedonia.
In the thick of one of the battles between Bulgarian and Macedonian bloggers, Macedonian blogger Ivica Anteski wrote in his ANTIblog (MKD):
If the Bulgarian and the Macedonian “truths” do not coincide, this means that they are not true (or at least one of them). Simple logic. And in court, when two eyewitnesses make contradicting testimonies, the case is solved by means of a confrontation. But historians don’t want to confront each other. It’s more likely that we, bloggers, slaughter ourselves first on the internet, than see the experts surpass the contentions through the power of arguments.
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Scholars, historians, philologists, academics, Slavic studies experts (Macedonian and Bulgarian)!!! Sit down together and tell us where the problem is. Reach an understanding! Forget that you are Macedonian or Bulgarian – scholars have no nationality. The truth and the facts are their nationality. Clear out the problems.
In such an atmosphere, on March 31, several days before the NATO summit in Bucharest, Sofia-based Manfred Woerner Foundation and the Atlantic Club of Bulgaria introduced a brochure titled “Bulgarian Policies on the Republic of Macedonia,” which was written by a group of Bulgarian history, Balkan studies and diplomacy scholars.
Image: komitata.blogspot.com (CC 3.0)
The purpose of the publication is to be used in the process of defining Bulgaria's Macedonia-related policies. Blogger Konstantin Pavlov, who attended the presentation, published the following report (BUL):
The Republic of Macedonia is about to join the EU and NATO. When exactly this will happen is not clear yet. The problem lies in the fact that, on the basis of the argument between Greece and Macedonia, the majority of independent politicians and observers take the side of Macedonia, without giving it much thought. (David against Goliath). And although the argument over the name elicits sympathy for Macedonia, the arguments that are being used – ancient Macedonia, that has survived down to the present day, the “autochtonal” Macedonian population, having been “enslaved” and “assimilated” by its bad neighbours, including the “bad Bulgarians,” gains ground with the people who sympathize with Macedonia. Those sympathies might lead to extremely negative consequences for Bulgaria, like, for example, “giving up” [May 24 as a national holiday] […]. It seems the book on the subject is not bad (I had no nerve to read it) and, unfortunately, is written in a complex, pseudo-scientific language with the purposes not all too clear. The result is nearly contrary to the objective sought – to write a clear, concise and unequivocally logical (right, winning) policy of the Bulgarian state towards the challenges coming from Macedonia. Well, it has not been achieved very well.
Having read the book and Pavlov’s report, Macedonian blogger Volan wrote (MKD):
The desire of Bulgarian politics – one people – two nations – is clearly discernible…
It is clear that the problems between Skopje and Sofia cannot be solved until the Balkan approach to history as property is not given up, and as long as it is being divided to “mine” and “yours” – in this case, into “Macedonian” and “Bulgarian.”
These slavo fyromians consider as a shame the fact that they are bulgars or what?
Yes, you can put it that way, although this way of expressing it is quite politically incorrect. And they think of themselves as heirs of Alexander The Great, not of some Slavic-Protobulgar folk. Although hard evidence points just this way.
If the Bulgarians and or the Greeks think Macedonia belongs to them, why than they dont fight over it?Each of you claim Macedonia is Bulgarian,Greek or even Albanian.I am proud being wanted, ufortunatly it is not yours. It belongs to the Macedonians for over four thousand years. The big Powers on August 2 1913 in Bucharest Macedonia was handed to you .Greece, Bulgaria and Albania denie they have a sizable Macedonian population. Goce Delcev, Jane Sandanski, Nikola Karev, Pitu Guli, they are our HEROES not yours.The Republic of Macedonia belongs to the Macedonians not to you. I am proud Macedonian. Born Macedonian, will dye Macedonian.
I find it amazing that after all this time there are still issues with this rift between ethnic groups. When do we humans learn to live alongside in peace?
Foreign Relations Vol. VIII, 868.014 / 26 Dec. 1944
“The Department has noted increasing propaganda rumors and semi-official statements in favor of an autonomous Macedonia, emanating principally from Bulgaria, but also from Yugoslav Partisan and other sources, with the implication that Greek territory would be included in the projected state. This Government (of USA) considers talk of Macedonian “nation”, Macedonian “Fatherland”, or Macedonian “national consciousness” to be unjustified demagoguery representing no ethnic, nor political reality, and sees in its present revival a possible cloak for aggressive intentions against Greece. The approved policy of this Government is to oppose any revival of the Macedonian issue as related to Greece. The Greek section of Macedonia is largely inhabited by Greeks, and the Greek people are almost unanimously opposed to the creation of a Macedonian state. Allegations of serious Greek participation in any such agitation can be assumed to be false. This Government (of USA) would regard as responsible any Government or group of Governments tolerating or encouraging menacing or aggressive acts of “Macedonian forces” against Greece”.
U.S. Secretary of State Stettinius
It is absolutely amazing that the Macedonians never listen to what people say about them. Even the most moderated, refined, sophisticated opinions. The claims of the neighbours exist only in the heads of those poor people.
Nobody wants your land, folks. Nobody wants you to change your self-determination. But, please, give the same right of self-determination to the heroes from history. Give them the right to be what they had proclaimed themselves, and don’t be so aggressive all the time. Give Alexander The Great and Gotze Delchev the right to be what they had proclaimed themselves, and not what you dream about them.
And then you will have perfect relationships with your neighbours.
I would like to mention two more things in connection with this ongoing argument:
First, on the Macedonian blog portal there is a posting, 2 years old, with more than 7700 comments over the course of the years. The participants must be already good friends, or at least good enemies, since they have spent two years of their lives commenting here (The topic is ‘Who Are The Bulgarians?’ )
http://makedonskaistorija.blog.com.mk/node/5734?from=7700&comments_per_page=100 (in Macedonian)
And second, some of the more moderate bloggers in Macedonia(Teddy Bear Ushko is the pioneer), supported by most of the Bulgarian bloggers who are interested in Macedonia, have started an initiative to end this endless bickering, called
“With literature against the Balkan provintialism”
which generally means getting the Macedonian bloggers acquainted with real Bulgarian literature
You can find the first posting here:
http://mecetousko.blog.com.mk/node/145143 (in Macedonian)
Similar initiative exists in Bulgaria, here:
http://lozarivinari.blogspot.com (in Bulgarian)
Bulgarians, please embrace your Tatarstan roots and leave Macedonian history alone.
Here is a short history; Demosthenes said about Philip 2; not only no Greek, nor related to the Greeks, but not even a barbarian from any place that can be named with honours, but a pestilent knave from Macedonia, whence it was never yet possible to buy a decent slave” The Macedonian “barbarian”defeated Greece at the battle of Chaeronea in August 338BC.and ap[ointed himself “Commanderof the Greeks”The date is commonly taken as the end of Greek history and the beginning of the Macedonian era.Greece regained its indeprndece in 1827AD.Became a nation in 1832.In 454BC the Philhellene did not wanted to compeate in the Olympic games with the Macedonians.Greece must rid of their falsified history and re-write ther own they will be better off.
Peter Givens (nice pseudo-English name to try to gain credibility by the way)- how foolish are you?! Demosthenes was a rabid pro-Athenian and much like his contemporaries viewed non-Athenian Hellenic peoples as “barbarians”; hence why Macedonians were regarded as “barbarians”; the fact that Demosthenes disparages Phillip by no means diminishes his Hellenism lest we forget that Hellas at the time was composed of city-states and Athens regarded itself as the pinnacle of Hellenism and objected to the “backward” northern Hellenes who were comparatively behind their southern Hellenic counterparts on a cultural basis at least. By the way, do you even know what the names Phillip and Alexander mean? A true Macedonian does-all 3 million of us.
How about you stop falsifying history and not pick and choose whatever suits you and your felllow pretenders’ interests- that’s very bad etiquette and only shows how sneaky you all are- and show us your citations by the way so they may be scrutinised: any academic worth their salt can do that as you will see below.
Also, why on earth would the ancestors of Phillip II etc. declare their Hellenism etc. and be Slavic? And furthermore, why would a race of people promote the culture of a supposedly “conquered” one?- that sounds pretty stupid. Also, by your logic, by extension, the Arkadians, the Thessalians, the Epirotes, the Spartans etc. are also non-Hellenic- a very stupid argument as these names refer to their place of origin and not ethnicity- the Macedonians are exactly the same, Hellenes from the northern Hellenic province of Macedonia. It would help if you actually read history properly and me having a heart the size of Phar Lap (a famous race horse) am going to get you of your ignorant state.
For your reading pleasure:
Αυτός τε γαρ Έλλην ειμί γένος τωρχαίον.
I am myself a Greek by ancient descent.
Alexander I of Macedonia (ancestor of Phillip II and Alexander the Great),in Herodotus’ book Kalliopi,IX,45.
If it were not my purpose to combine barbarian things with things Hellenic, to traverse and civilize every continent, to search out the uttermost parts of land and sea, to push the bounds of Macedonia to the farthest Ocean, and to diseminate and shower the blessings of the Hellenic justice and peace over every nation, I should not be content to sit quietly in the luxury of idle power, but I should emulate the frugality of Diogenes. But as things are, forgive me Diogenes, that I imitate Herakles, and emulate Perseus, and follow in the footsteps of Dionysos, the divine author and progenitor of my family, and desire that victorius Hellenes should dance again in India and revive the memory of the Bacchic revels among the savage mountain tribes beyond the Kaukasos…
As quoted in “On the Fortune of Alexander” by Plutarch, 332 a-b (and on that note, seeing as Alexander makes mention to these Ancient Hellenic figures,by extension then Heracles, Dionysos, Perseus and so on were Slavs too by your logic- give us a break.)
Our enemies are Medes and Persians, men who for centuries have lived soft and luxurious lives; we of Macedon for generations past have been trained in the hard school of danger and war. Above all, we are free men, and they are slaves. There are Greek troops, to be sure, in Persian service — but how different is their cause from ours! They will be fighting for pay — and not much of at that; we, on the contrary, shall fight for Greece, and our hearts will be in it.
Alexander the Great addressing his troops prior to the Battle of Issus, as quoted in Anabasis Alexandri by Arrian Book II, 7
Youths of the Pellaians and of the Macedonians and of the Hellenic Amphictiony and of the Lakedaimonians and of the Corinthians… and of all the Hellenic peoples, join your fellow-soldiers and entrust yourselves to me, so that we can move against the barbarians and liberate ourselves from the Persian bondage, for as Greeks we should not be slaves to barbarians.
As quoted in the Historia Alexandri Magni of Pseudo-Kallisthenes, 1.15.1-4
Now you fear punishment and beg for your lives, so I will let you free, if not for any other reason so that you can see the difference between a Greek king and a barbarian tyrant, so do not expect to suffer any harm from me. A king does not kill messengers.
As quoted in the Historia Alexandri Magni of Pseudo-Kallisthenes, 1.37.9-13
Ahem, I think I have proven my point- nice try though; you need a false identity so you’d though you’d steal mine- as the late, great Charles Bronson would say, “No Dice”.
STOP THE FALSEHOODS AND THE SPREAD OF MISINFORMATION!!!
TO BE MACEDONIAN IS TO BE HELLENIC!
Mr. Hellenic Headbreaker, you dont even know your own history let alone our Macedonian.I will not quote anything before 1832.In 1903 the Macedonins rised againts the Ottoman Empire and established the first Republic of Macedonia. Goce Delchev was born in the Greek part of Macedonia {Northern Greece}He gave his life for Macedonia, are you deniyng? There is no secret that Greece is even today prosecuting the Macedonian Minotity in Greece. The VINO ZITO in Lerin{Florina} took the Greek government to court in Statsburg and won both times.Nikodin the Macedonian priest has been beaten on several times by the Greek government.Just days ago they were throwing rocks and eggs at his house. Is this the democracy you defending? If you go to Pakistan a province called Unzu you will find Macedonians from Alexander the Great. These people speak the old Macedonian,but we also use lots of same words. They have the 16 ray flag and declairing themsels Macedonian not Greek. Greeks did went there, build a social home that the Macedonians do NOT even go inside.These people joint Pakistan in 1974.They have their own King and Queen, they say they are Macedonian not Greek. would you like to visit them? To the west of Pakistan there are 40 towns of Macedonians called the Kalash people, they also claim they are Macedonians and not Greek. How can you claim that they were Hellenic? The Greek history my friend is so distorted that you even dont know who you are.On my name issue, my grandfather came back to our hometown in 1928 with our family name in Macedonian, the Greeks wanted to change it to sound Greek. His name was Yuve a name that goes to 1770. He refused and in 1930 came back to Canada and changed it to present.My grandfather first arrived in 1909 at the Ellis iland in USA. He and his brotherinlaw declaired Macedonians in the register check it out my friend before you make fasificate comments just to suit your Greek interest.Greece never occupied Macedonia before 1913, put it through your head.Do I need to tell you more?.I learned the Greek history in a country that was teaching me the true history of Greece as well Macedonian.
First off Nikodim and the Rainbow Party are nothing more than trouble-makers and though I cannot and will not condone the actions toward them in any other country they would have been decapitated for their recalcitrance-they have spread propaganda and irridentism where they are fortunate that no further action has been taken.
Now to address the disgusting untruths you have spouted- I don’t know who I am?! The hell I don’t son- more like you’re a Bulgarian who’s having an identity crisis. You never even bothered to answer my questions so that illustrates to me that you have things to hide.
It appears to everybody that you “Peter Givens” have no idea of what is true and not- the Kalash have said time and again that they are descended from Hellenes. For your reading pleasure:
“Long long ago, before the days of Islam, Sikander e Aazem came to India. The Two Horned one whom you British people call Alexander the Great. He conquered the world, and was a very great man, brave and dauntless and generous to his followers. When he left to go back to Greece, some of his men did not wish to go back with him but preferred to stay here. Their leader was a general called Shalakash (i.e: Seleucus). With some of his officers and men, he came to these valleys and they settled here and took local women, and here they stayed. We, the Kalash, the Black Kafir of the Hindu Kush, are the descendants of their children. Still some of our words are the same as theirs, our music and our dances, too; we worship the same gods. This is why we believe the Greeks are our first ancestors.”
Michael Wood, “In the footsteps of Alexander the Great”, p.8
“When the great hero and general, Alexander, who was as great as the god Apollo and Zeus, left his troops here, he asked them to stay here in this land without changing their beliefs and traditions, their laws and culture until he returned from the battles in the East. This is a story that is told not in a village in Greece but on the the mountainsides of the great Hindu Kush. In this remote area of the northwestern region of Pakistan lives a peculiar tribe, the Kalash. The Kalash proclaim with pride that they are the direct descendents of Alexander the Great. There are many similarities between them and the Hellenes of Alexander the Great’s time. Similarities such as religion, culture, and language reinforce their claims to Hellenic ancestry.
The Kalash are a polytheistic people, meaning that they believe in many gods. The gods that they believe in are the twelve gods of Ancient Hellas which makes them the only people who continue this worship! Gods such as Zeus, the god of gods, Apollo, the god of the sun, and Aphrodite, the goddess of beauty, are such gods that they pay homage to. Shrines which are found in every Kalash village remind us of the religious sanctuaries we would stumble across in Ancient Hellas. They serve as houses of worship where prayers and sacrifices are offered. Oracles who played a major role in acting as mediators and spokespeople between the gods and the mortals still hold a position of importance in the social structure of the Kalash. Every question or prayer towards the gods is usually followed by a sacrifice of an animal. It is reminiscent of the sacrifices the Hellenes gave to the gods to assure them a victory over the city of Troy.
The Macedonians and the Kalash:Religions always possess certain traditions and rituals which are observed by their followers. The Kalash practice a ritual that is celebrated on August 6th. This feast day is named the Day of the Transfiguration. It is the day where the grapes are brought out to the god Dionysus to be blessed and to guarantee them of a plentiful crop. This ritual can be traced back to Ancient Hellas where it was practiced by the cult of Dionysus who paid their respect to the god of fertility and wine. An active member of the cult of Dionysus was Olympia, mother of Alexander the Great, who is said to have recruited many of her son’s soldiers and who in return practiced it throughout their expedition (Alexandrou, pg. 184).
The Kalash also live a lifestyle that can be positively compared to that of the Ancient Hellenes. Let us start with the observation of their homes. The Kalash are the only people in the East who make and use accessories such as chairs and stools that cannot be found anywhere else in the surrounding regions! Their chairs are decorated with drawings such as the ram’s horns which symbolize the horns that decorated Alexander the Great’s helmet. Battle scenes depicting Hellenic soldiers are also observed. In the recent archaeological discoveries in Vergina, Greek archaeologists found the exact same replicas as the ones the Kalash use in their homes (National Herald, pg. 7).
As we know, Pakistan is a nation ruled by Islamic law. Under the law of the Koran alcohol consumption is prohibited. When we enter the region of the Kalash we encounter fields that are inhabited by grape vines. The Kalash are the only people who produce and consume wine and indulge themselves in feasts such as for the aforementioned feast of Dionysus. Hellenes such as Socrates would participate in wine feasts such as we come across in the Symposium. Their feasts are always followed by songs and dances. The Kalash dance in a cyclical motion and the men usually follow it by loud cries of i-a and i-o which can be traced back to the battle cries let loose by Alexander’s soldiers. There is a saying held by the Pakistanis who state that only the Hellenes and the Kalash whistle in such a way (Alexandrou, pg 87).
In 1896 a British explorer by the name of George Robertson visited the Kalash and did a study on them. He concluded that fifty percent of the Kalash’s language derives from Ancient Hellenic. Such similarities can be found in their gods’ names. Zeus is called Zeo, Aphrodite is called Frodait, the name Dionysus has kept the same pronounciation. The Kalash have words such as demos meaning city-state and use the word ‘ela’ as an imperative command meaning come here. There was recently a tablet found in a village of the Kalash whose message was in the form of hieroglyphics. When the code was deciphered the message read, “Alexander the Great lives forever (National Herald, pg.8)”.
In this article we have observed similarities between people of the past, the ancient Hellenes and people of the present, the Kalash. Through these similarities the Kalash have justified their claim as descendants of Alexander the Great. Ancient Hellenes and the tales of Alexander the Great were once believed to exist only in history books. However as the article insists, these great legacies live on with the Kalash of the mountainous Hindu Kush.”
Alexandrou Dimitris N., “Kalash, The Greeks of the Himalayans”, Thessaloniki, Greece, 1997
Who’s fooling who, ass?! It is patently obvious you have been taught nothing but garbage- and where are you sources?! You’re telling pork-pies as usual; Delcev, Sandanski, Gruev, Tsar Samuel and all these others you claim were all Bulgarians- it’s amazing how you are trying to claim all these figures as you have nothing to claim of your own- pathetic really.
Stop the stupidity- you were taught nothing but a pseudo-history. What does the name Macedonia mean anyway, genius? And more to the point- do you even have any idea what the Sun of Vergina means? Come on answer me and don’t dodge the questions and give me citations-I want to see where you get your information from to debate this.
I am waiting for a decent challenge- and by the way, this whole 1913 Treaty of Bucharest stuff is a fairytale; but the way you’re all going it’ll become a reality when Albania and Bulgaria take everything from you; now won’t that be fun?
Give it up- you will find me and my fellow Hellenes very dangerous adversaries who will pummel you with facts not speculations, lies, Skopaganda and other trickery.
ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ
Re Hellenic , the Klash prople or 36 towns are Muslem 4 town remain none Muslem. They do NOT claim they are Greek, they claim they are Macedonian. You better get it through your head.Alexander the Great was Macedonian not Greek. History will prove that .A 2300 year ojd Roseta in England is writen in three languages, Macedonian, Greek and Egyptian.Why does it have three languages?Is this because the Macedonians were Macedonian NOT GREEK.
Who said that macedonians want to steel your history? Only bulgarians and greeks claim that. How can someone steel your history?.. when macedonians have their books published only in macedonian language( of course there a couple of them on english), but bulgarians and greeks when comes to that subject they publish their books mostly on english-I smell propaganda!!!
Maybe you as one of the biggest countries in the Balkans want small one as you enemy.
Ah “Peter Givens” you’re fun to deal with. Yes Alexander was Macedonian; and by that he was an Hellene from the northern Hellenic region of Macedonia; bravo you make sense there at least. Macedonian language?! Haha nice one- more like it’s Bulgarian. And besides numbskull this is what you meant to say:
The Rosetta Stone is an Ancient Egyptian artifact which was instrumental in advancing modern understanding of hieroglyphic writing. The stone is a Ptolemaic era stele with carved text. The text is made up of three translations of a single passage, written in two Egyptian language scripts (hieroglyphic and Demotic), and in classical Greek. It was created in 196 BC, discovered by the French in 1799 at Rosetta, a harbor on the Mediterranean coast in Egypt, and contributed greatly to the decipherment of the principles of hieroglyphic writing in 1822 by the French scholar Jean-François Champollion. Comparative translation of the stone assisted in understanding many previously undecipherable examples of hieroglyphic writing. The text of the Rosetta Stone is a decree from Ptolemy V, describing the repealing of various taxes and instructions to erect statues in temples.
And the text of it:
“In the reign of the new king who was Lord of the diadems, great in glory, the stabilizer of Egypt, and also pious in matters relating to the gods, superior to his adversaries, rectifier of the life of men, Lord of the thirty-year periods like Hephaestus the Great, King like the Sun, the Great King of the Upper and Lower Lands, offspring of the Parent-loving gods, whom Hephaestus has approved, to whom the Sun has given victory, living image of Zeus, Son of the Sun, Ptolemy the ever-living, beloved by Ptah; (oh yes many Slavic deities there)
In the ninth year, when Aëtus, son of Aëtus, was priest of Alexander and of the Savior gods and the Brother gods and the Benefactor gods and the Parent-loving gods and the god Manifest and Gracious; Pyrrha, the daughter of Philinius, being athlophorus for Bernice Euergetis; Areia, the daughter of Diogenes, being canephorus for Arsinoë Philadelphus; Irene, the daughter of Ptolemy, being priestess of Arsinoë Philopator: on the fourth of the month Xanicus, or according to the Egyptians the eighteenth of Mecheir. (Some very Slavic sounding names there too! Hahaha)
THE DECREE: The high priests and prophets, and those who enter the inner shrine in order to robe the gods, and those who wear the hawk’s wing, and the sacred scribes, and all the other priests who have assembled at Memphis before the king, from the various temples throughout the country, for the feast of his receiving the kingdom, even that of Ptolemy the ever-living, beloved by Ptah, the god Manifest and Gracious, which he received from his Father, being assembled in the temple in Memphis this day, declared: Since King Ptolemy, the ever-living, beloved by Ptah, the god Manifest and Gracious, the son of King Ptolemy and Queen Arsinoë, the Parent-loving gods, has done many benefactions to the temples and to those who dwell in them, and also to all those subject to his rule, being from the beginning a god born of a god and a goddess—like Horus, the son of Isis and Osirus, who came to the help of his Father Osirus; being benevolently disposed toward the gods, has concentrated to the temples revenues both of silver and of grain, and has generously undergone many expenses in order to lead Egypt to prosperity and to establish the temples… the gods have rewarded him with health, victory, power, and all other good things, his sovereignty to continue to him and his children forever.”
The complete Greek text, in English, is about 1600–1700 words in length, and is about 20 paragraphs long (average 80 words/paragraph).”
So, bucko what “Macedonian” language were you referring to again? Get it through your head that you are a fraud and trying to steal my and my peoples’ history- and I will promise you we will fight tooth and nail to rid this Skopaganda. Again, where are you sources? And stop dodging my questions coward. To be a good sport here are my sources:
* Allen, Don Cameron. “The Predecessors of Champollion”, Proceedings of the American Philosophical Society, Vol. 144, No. 5. (1960), pp. 527–547.
* Adkins, Lesley; Adkins, Roy. The Keys of Egypt: The Obsession to Decipher Egyptian Hieroglyphs. New York: HarperCollins Publishers, 2000 (hardcover, ISBN 0-06-019439-1); 2001 (paperback, ISBN 0-00-653145-8).
* Downs, Jonathan. “Romancing the Stone”, History Today, Vol. 56, Issue 5. (May, 2006), pp. 48–54.
* Parkinson, Richard. Cracking Codes: the Rosetta Stone, and Decipherment. Berkeley, CA; Los Angeles; London: University of California Press, 1999 (hardcover, ISBN 0-520-22306-3; paperback, ISBN 0-520-22248-2); London: British Museum Press, 1999 (paperback, ISBN 0-7141-1916-4).
* Parkinson, Richard. The Rosetta Stone. Objects in Focus; London: British Museum Press 2005 (paperback ISBN 978-0714150215).
* Ray, John. The Rosetta Stone and the Rebirth of Ancient Egypt (Wonders of the World). Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press, 2007 (hardcover, ISBN 978-0674024939).
o Reviewed by Jonathon Keats in the Washington Post, July 22, 2007.
* Solé, Robert; Valbelle, Dominique. The Rosetta Stone: The Story of the Decoding of Hieroglyphics. New York: Four Walls Eight Windows, 2002 (hardcover, ISBN 1-56858-226-9).
* Wallis Budge, E.A.. The Rosetta Stone. Mineola, NY: Dover Publications, 1989 (paperback, ISBN 0-486-26163-8); Chicago Ridge, IL: Ares Publishers, 1995 (paperback, ISBN 0-89005-331-6). 6th grade history book
Go here to read it in its entirety and then try to tell anyone with a straight face that it and its authors were your Slavic brethren- they’ll laugh at you and arrange for you to be put into the nut-house:http://pw1.netcom.com/~qkstart/rosetta.html
Here’s a high-quality jpeg of the stone: I bet you couldn’t even read it http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ca/Rosetta_Stone_BW.jpeg
But being a good chap I’m going to provide you with the text of it:
ΑΣΙΛΕΥΟΝΤΟΣ ΤΟΥ ΝΕΟΥ ΚΑΙ ΠΑΡΑΛΑΒΟΝΤΟΣ ΤΗΝ ΒΑΣΙΛΕΙΑΝ ΠΑΡΑ ΤΟΥ ΠΑΤΡΟΣ ΚΥΡΙΟΥ ΒΑΣΙΛΕΙΩΝ ΜΕΓΑΛΟΔΟΞΟΥ ΤΟΥ ΤΗΝ ΑΙΓΥΠΤΟΝ ΚΑΤΑΣΤΗΣΑΜΕΝΟΥ ΚΑΙ ΤΑ ΠΡΟΣ ΤΟΥΣ
2ΘΕΟΥΣ ΕΥΣΕΒΟΥΣ ΑΝΤΙΠΑΛΩΝ ΥΠΕΡΤΕΡΟΥ ΤΟΥ ΤΟΝ ΒΙΟΝ ΤΩΝ ΑΝΘΡΩΠΩΝ ΕΠΑΝΟΡΘΟΣΑΝΤΟΣ[1] ΚΥΡΙΟΥ ΤΡΙΑΚΟΝΤΑΕΤΗΡΙΔΩΝ ΚΑΘΑΠΕΡ Ο ΗΦΑΙΣΤΟΣ Ο ΜΕΓΑΣ ΒΑΣΙΛΕΥΣ[2] ΚΑΘΑΠΕΡ Ο ΗΛΙΟΣ
3ΜΕΓΑΣ ΒΑΣΙΛΕΥΣ ΤΩΝ ΤΕ ΑΝΩ ΚΑΙ ΤΩΝ ΚΑΤΩΝ ΧΩΡΩΝ ΕΚΓΟΝΟΥ ΘΕΩΝ ΦΙΛΟΠΑΤΟΡΩΝ ΟΝ Ο ΗΦΑΙΣΤΟΣ ΕΔΟΚΙΜΑΣΕΝ ΩΙ Ο ΗΛΙΟΣ ΕΔΩΚΕΝ ΤΗΝ ΝΙΚΗΝ ΕΙΚΟΝΟΣ ΖΩΣΗΣ ΤΟΥ ΔΙΟΣ ΥΙΟΥ ΤΟΥ ΚΑΙ ΟΥ ΠΤΟΛΕΜΑΙΟΥ
4ΑΙΩΝΟΒΙΟΥ ΗΓΑΠΗΜΕΝΟΥ ΥΠΟ ΤΟΥ ΦΘΑ ΕΤΟΥΣ ΕΝΑΤΟΥ ΕΦ ΙΕΡΕΩΣ ΑΕΤΟΥ ΤΟΥ ΑΕΤΟΥ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΥ ΚΑΙ ΘΕΩΝ ΣΩΤΗΡΩΝ ΚΑΙ ΘΕΩΝ ΑΔΕΛΦΩΝ ΚΑΙ ΘΕΩΝ ΕΥΕΡΓΕΤΩΝ ΚΑΙ ΘΕΩΝ ΦΙΛΟΠΑΤΟΡΩΝ ΚΑΙ
5ΘΕΟΥ ΕΠΙΦΑΝΟΥΣ ΕΥΧΑΡΙΣΤΟΥ ΑΘΛΟΦΟΡΟΥ ΒΕΡΕΝΙΚΗΣ[3] ΕΥΕΡΓΕΤΙΔΟΣ ΠΥΡΡΑΣ ΤΗΣ ΦΙΛΙΝΟΥ ΚΑΝΗΦΟΡΟΥ ΑΡΣΙΝΟΗΣ ΦΙΛΑΔΕΛΦΟΥ ΑΡΕΙΑΣ ΤΗΣ ΔΙΟΓΕΝΟΥΣ ΙΕΡΕΙΑΣ ΑΡΣΙΝΟΗΣ ΦΙΛΟΠΑΤΟΡΟΣ ΕΙΡΗΝΗΣ
6ΤΗΣ ΠΤΟΛΕΜΑΙΟΥ ΜΗΝΟΣ ΞΑΝΔΙΚΟΥ ΤΕΤΡΑΔΙ ΑΙΓΥΠΤΙΩΝ ΔΕ ΜΕΧΕΙΡ ΟΚΤΩ ΚΑΙ ΔΕΚΑΤΗΙ ΨΗΦΙΣΜΑ ΟΙ ΑΡΧΙΕΡΕΙΣ ΚΑΙ ΠΡΟΦΗΤΑΙ ΚΑΙ ΟΙ ΕΙΣ ΤΟ ΑΔΥΤΟΝ ΕΙΞΠΟΡΕΥΟΜΕΝ ΟΙ ΠΡΟΣ ΤΟΝ ΣΤΟΛΙΣΜΟΝ ΤΩΝ
7ΘΕΩΝ ΚΑΙ ΠΤΕΡΟΦΟΡΑΙ ΚΑΙ ΙΕΡΟΓΡΑΜΜΑΤΕΙΣ ΚΑΙ ΟΙ ΑΛΛΟΙ ΙΕΡΕΙΣ ΠΑΝΤΕΣ ΟΙ ΑΠΑΝΤΗΣΑΝΤΕΣ ΕΚ ΤΩΝ ΚΑΤΑ ΤΗΝ ΧΩΡΑΝ ΙΕΡΩΝ ΕΙΣ ΜΕΜΦΙΝ ΤΩΙ ΒΑΣΙΛΕΙ ΠΡΟΣ ΤΗΝ ΠΑΝΗΓΥΡΙΝ ΤΗΣ ΠΑΡΑΛΗΨΕΩΣ ΤΗΣ
8ΒΑΣΙΛΕΙΑΣ ΤΗΣ ΠΤΟΛΕΜΑΙΟΥ ΑΙΩΝΟΒΙΟΥ ΗΓΑΠΗΜΕΝΟΥ ΥΠΟ ΤΟΥ ΦΘΑ ΘΕΟΥ ΕΠΙΦΑΝΟΥΣ ΕΥΧΑΡΙΣΤΟΥ ΗΝ ΠΑΡΕΛΑΒΕΝ ΠΑΡΑ ΤΟΥ ΠΑΤΡΟΣ ΑΥΤΟΥ ΣΥΝΑΧΘΕΝΤΕΣ ΕΝ ΤΩΙ ΕΝ ΜΕΜΦΕΙ ΙΕΡΩΙ ΤΗΙ ΗΜΕΡΑΙ ΤΑΥΤΗΙ ΕΙΠΑΝ
9ΕΠΕΙΔΗ ΒΑΣΙΛΕΥΣ ΠΤΟΛΕΜΑΙΟΣ ΑΙΩΝΟΒΙΟΣ ΗΓΑΠΗΜΕΝΟΣ ΥΠΟ ΤΟΥ ΦΘΑ ΘΕΟΣ ΕΠΙΦΑΝΗΣ ΕΥΧΑΡΙΣΤΟΣ Ο ΕΚ[4] ΒΑΣΙΛΕΩΣ ΠΤΟΛΕΜΑΙΟΥ ΚΑΙ ΒΑΣΙΛΙΣΣΗΣ ΑΡΣΙΝΟΗΣ ΘΕΩΝ ΦΙΛΟΠΑΤΟΡΩΝ[5] ΚΑΤΑ ΠΟΛΛΑ ΕΥΕΡΓΕΤΗΚΕΝ ΤΑ Θ ΙΕΡΑ ΚΑΙ
10ΤΟΥΣ ΕΝ ΑΥΤΟΙΣ ΟΝΤΑΣ ΚΑΙ ΤΟΥΣ ΥΠΟ ΤΗΝ ΕΑΥΤΟΥ ΒΑΣΙΛΕΙΑΝ ΤΑΣΣΟΜΕΝΟΥΣ ΑΠΑΝΤΑΣ ΥΠΑΡΧΩΝ ΘΕΟΣ ΕΚ ΘΕΟΥ ΚΑΙ ΘΕΑΣ ΚΑΘΑΠΕΡ ΩΡΟΣ Ο ΤΗΣ ΙΣΙΟΣ ΚΑΙ ΟΣΙΡΙΟΣ ΥΙΟΣ Ο ΕΠΑΜΥΝΑΣ ΤΩΙ ΠΑΤΡΙ ΚΑΙ ΑΥΤΟΥ ΟΣΙΡΕΙ ΤΑ ΠΡΟΣ ΘΕΟΥΣ
11ΕΥΕΡΓΕΤΙΚΩΣ ΔΙΑΚΕΙΜΕΝΟΣ ΑΝΑΤΕΘΕΙΚΕΝ ΕΙΣ ΤΑ ΙΕΡΑ ΑΡΓΥΡΙΚΑΣ ΤΕ ΚΑΙ ΣΙΤΙΚΑΣ [6] ΠΡΟΣΟΔΟΥΣ ΚΑΙ ΔΑΠΑΝΑΣ ΠΟΛΛΑΣ ΥΠΟΜΕΜΕΝΗΚΕΝ ΕΝΕΚΑ ΤΟΥ ΤΗΝ ΑΙΓΥΠΤΟΝ ΕΙΣ ΕΥΔΙΑΝ ΑΓΑΓΕΙΝ ΚΑΙ ΤΑ ΙΕΡΑ ΚΑΤΑΣΤΗΣΘΑΙ
12ΤΑΙΣ ΤΕ ΕΑΥΤΟΥ ΔΥΝΑΜΕΣΙΝ ΠΕΦΙΛΑΝΔΡΩΠΗΚΕ ΚΑΙ ΑΠΟ ΤΩΝ ΥΠΑΡΧΟΥΣΩΝ ΕΝ ΑΙΓΥΠΤΩΙ ΠΡΟΣΟΔΩΝ ΚΑΙ ΦΟΡΟΛΟΓΙΩΝ ΤΙΝΑΣ ΜΕΝ ΕΙΣ ΤΕΛΟΣ ΑΦΗΚΕΝ ΑΛΛΑΣ ΔΕ ΚΕΚΟΥΦΙΚΕΝ ΟΠΩΣ Ο ΤΕ ΛΑΟΣ ΚΑΙ ΟΙ ΑΛΛΟΙ ΠΑΝΤΕΣ ΕΝ
13ΕΥΘΗΝΙΑΙ ΩΣΙΝ ΕΠΙ ΤΗΣ ΕΑΥΤΟΥ ΒΑΣΙΛΕΙΑΣ ΤΑ ΤΕ ΒΑΣΙΛΙΚΑ ΟΦΕΙΛΗΜΑΤΑ Α ΠΡΟΣΟΦΕΙΛΟΝ ΟΙ ΕΝ ΑΙΓΥΠΤΩΙ ΚΑΙ ΟΙ ΕΝ ΤΗΙ ΛΟΙΠΗΙ ΒΑΣΙΛΕΙΑΙ ΑΥΤΟΥ ΟΝΤΑ ΠΟΛΛΑ ΤΩΙ ΠΛΗΘΕΙ ΑΦΗΚΕΝ ΚΑΙ ΤΟΥΣ ΕΝ ΤΑΙΣ ΦΥΛΑΚΑΙΣ
14ΑΠΗΓΜΕΝΟΥΣ ΚΑΙ ΤΟΥΣ ΕΝ ΑΙΤΙΑΙΣ ΟΝΤΑΣ ΕΚ ΠΟΛΛΟΥ ΧΡΟΝΟΥ ΑΠΕΛΥΣΕ ΤΩΝ ΕΓΚΕΚΛΗΜΕΝΩΝ ΠΡΟΣΕΤΑΞΕ ΔΕ ΚΑΙ ΤΑΣ ΠΡΟΣΟΔΟΥΣ ΤΩΝ ΙΕΡΩΝ ΚΑΙ ΤΑΣ ΔΙΔΟΜΕΝΑΣ ΕΙΣ ΑΥΤΑ ΚΑΤ ΕΝΙΑΥΤΟΝ ΣΥΝΤΑΞΕΙΣ ΣΙΤΙ
15ΚΑΣ ΤΕ ΚΑΙ ΑΡΓΥΡΙΚΑΣ ΟΜΟΙΩΣ ΔΕ ΚΑΙ ΤΑΣ ΚΑΘΗΚΟΥΣΑΣ ΑΠΟΜΟΙΡΑΣ ΤΟΙΣ ΘΕΟΙΣ ΑΠΟ ΤΕ ΤΗΣ ΑΜΠΕΛΙΤΙΔΟΣ ΓΗΣ ΚΑΙ ΤΩΝ ΠΑΡΑΔΕΙΣΩΝ ΚΑΙ ΤΩΝ ΑΛΛΩΝ ΤΩΝ ΥΠΑΡΧΑΝΤΩΝ ΤΟΙΣ ΘΕΟΙΣ ΕΠΙ[7] ΤΟΥ ΠΑΤΡΟΣ ΑΥΤΟΥ
16ΜΕΝΕΙΝ ΕΠΙ ΧΩΡΑΣ ΠΡΟΣΕΤΑΞΕΝ ΔΕ ΚΑΙ ΠΕΡΙ ΤΩΝ ΙΕΡΕΩΝ ΟΠΩΣ ΜΗΘΕΝ ΠΛΕΙΟΝ ΔΙΔΩΣΙΝ ΕΙΣ ΤΟ ΤΕΛΕΣΤΙΚΟΝ ΟΥ[Κ][8] ΕΤΑΣΣΟΝΤΟ ΕΩΣ ΤΟΥ ΠΡΩΤΟΥ ΕΤΟΥΣ ΕΠΙ ΤΟΥ ΠΑΤΡΟΣ ΑΥΤΟΥ ΑΠΕΛΥΣΕΝ ΔΕ ΚΑΙ ΤΟΥΣ [9] ΕΚ ΤΩΝ
17ΙΕΡΩΝ ΕΘΝΩΝ ΤΟΥ ΚΑΤ ΕΝΙΑΥΤΟΝ ΕΙΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΕΙΑΝ ΚΑΤΑΠΛΟΥ ΠΡΟΣΕΤΑΞΕΝ ΔΕ ΚΑΙ ΤΗΝ ΣΥΛΛΗΨΙΝ ΤΩΝ ΕΙΣ ΤΗΝ ΝΑΥΤΕΙΑΝ ΜΗ ΠΟΙΕΙΣΘΑΙ ΤΩΝ Τ ΕΙΣ ΤΟ ΒΑΣΙΛΙΚΟΝ ΣΥΝΤΕΛΟΥΜΕΝΩΝ ΕΝ ΤΟΙΣ ΙΕΡΟΙΣ
18ΟΘΟΝΙΩΝ ΑΠΕΛΥΣΕΝ ΤΑ ΔΥΟ ΜΕΡΗ ΤΑ ΤΕ ΕΚΛΕΛΕΙΜΜΕΝΑ[10] ΠΑΝΤΑ ΕΝ ΤΟΙΣ ΠΡΟΤΕΡΟΝ ΧΡΟΝΟΙΣ ΑΠΟΚΑΤΕΣΤΗΣΕΝ ΕΙΣ ΤΗΝ ΚΑΘΗΚΟΥΣΑΝ ΤΑΞΙΝ ΦΡΟΝΤΙΖΩΝ ΟΠΩΣ ΤΑ ΕΙΘΙΣΜΕΝΑ ΣΥΝΤΕΛΗΤΑΙ ΤΑΣ ΘΕΟΙΣ ΚΑΤΑ ΤΟ
19ΠΡΟΣΗΚΩΝ ΟΜΟΙΩΣ ΔΕ ΚΑΙ ΤΟ ΔΙΚΑΙΟΝ ΠΑΣΙΝ ΑΠΕΝΕΙΜΕΝ ΚΑΘΑΠΕΡ ΕΡΜΗΣ Ο ΜΕΓΑΣ ΚΑΙ ΜΕΓΑΣ ΠΡΟΣΕΤΑΞΕΝ[11] ΔΕ ΚΑΙ ΤΟΥΣ ΚΑΤΑΠΟΡΕΥΟΜΕΝΟΥΣ ΕΚ ΤΕ ΤΩΝ ΜΑΧΙΜΩΝ ΚΑΙ ΤΩΝ ΑΛΛΩΝ ΤΩΝ ΑΛΛΟΤΡΙΑ
20ΦΡΟΝΗΣΑΝΤΩΝ ΕΝ ΤΟΙΣ ΚΑΤΑ ΤΗΝ ΤΑΡΑΧΗΝ ΚΑΙΡΟΙΣ ΚΑΤΕΛΘΟΝΤΑΣ ΜΕΝΕΙΝ ΕΠΟ ΤΩΝ ΙΔΙΩΝ ΚΤΗΣΕΩΝ ΠΡΟΕΝΟΗΘΗ ΔΕ ΚΑΙ ΟΠΩΣ ΕΞΑΠΟΣΤΑΛΩΣΙΝ ΔΥΝΑΜΕΙΣ ΙΠΠΙΚΑΙ ΤΕ ΚΑΙ ΠΕΖΙΚΑΙ ΚΑΙ ΝΗΕΣ ΕΠΙ ΤΟΥΣ ΕΠΕΛΘΟΝΤΑΣ
21ΕΠΙ ΤΗΝ ΑΙΓΥΠΤΟΝ ΚΑΤΑ ΤΕ ΤΗΝ ΘΑΛΑΣΣΑΝ ΚΑΙ ΤΗΝ ΗΠΕΙΡΟΝ ΥΠΟΜΕΙΝΑΣ ΔΑΠΑΝΑΣ ΑΡΓΥΡΙΚΑΣ ΤΕ ΚΑΙ ΣΙΤΙΚΑΣ ΜΕΓΑΛΑΣ ΟΠΩΣ ΤΑ Θ ΙΕΡΑ ΚΑΙ ΟΙ ΕΝ ΑΥΤΗΙ ΠΑΝΤΕΣ[12] ΕΝ ΑΣΦΑΛΕΙΑΙ ΩΣΙΝ ΠΑΡΑΓΙΝΟΜΕ
22ΝΟΣ ΔΕ ΚΑΙ ΕΙΣ ΛΥΚΩΝ ΠΟΛΙΝ ΤΗΝ ΕΝ ΤΩΙ ΒΟΥΣΙΡΙΤΗΙ Η ΗΝ ΚΑΤΕΙΛΗΜΜΕΝΗ ΚΑΙ ΩΧΥΡΩΜΕΝΗ ΠΡΟΣ ΠΟΛΙΟΡΚΙΑΝ ΟΠΛΩΝ ΤΕ ΠΑΡΑΘΕΣΕΙ ΔΑΨΙΛΕΣΤΕΡΑΙ ΚΑΙ ΤΗΙ ΑΛΛΗΙ ΧΟΡΗΓΙΑΙ ΠΑΣΗΙ ΩΣ ΑΝ ΕΚ ΠΟΛΛΟΥ
23ΧΡΟΝΟΥ[13] ΣΥΝΕΣΤΗΚΥΙΑΣ ΤΗΣ ΑΛΛΟΤΡΙΟΤΗΤΟΣ ΤΟΙΣ ΕΠΙΣΥΝΑΧΘΕΙΣΙΝ ΕΙΣ ΑΥΤΗΝ ΑΣΕΒΕΣΙΝ ΟΙ ΗΣΑΝ ΕΙΣ ΤΕ ΤΑ ΙΕΡΑ ΚΑΙ ΤΟΥΣ ΕΝ ΑΙΓΥΠΤΩΙ ΚΑΤΟΙΚΟΥΝΤΑΣ ΠΟΛΛΑ ΚΑΚΑ ΣΥΝΤΕΤΕΛΕΣΜΕΝΟΙ ΚΑΙ ΑΝ
24ΤΙΚΑΘΙΣΑΣ ΧΩΜΑΣΙΝ ΤΕ ΚΑΙ ΤΑΦΡΟΙΣ ΚΑΙ ΤΕΧΕΣΙΝ ΑΥΤΗΝ ΑΞΙΟΛΟΓΟΙΣ ΠΕΡΙΕΛΑΒΕΝ ΤΟΥ ΤΕ ΝΕΙΛΟΥ ΤΗΝ ΑΝΑΒΑΣΙΝ ΜΕΓΑΛΗΝ ΠΟΙΗΣΑΜΕΝΟΥ ΕΝ ΤΩΙ ΟΓΔΟΩΙ ΕΤΕΙ ΚΑΙ ΕΙΘΙΣΜΕΝΟΥ ΚΑΤΑΚΛΥΖΕΙΝ ΤΑ
25ΠΕΔΙΑ ΚΑΤΕΣΧΕΝ ΕΚ ΠΟΛΛΩΝ ΤΟΠΩΝ ΟΧΥΡΩΣΑΣ ΤΑ ΣΤΟΜΑΤΑ ΤΩΝ ΠΟΤΑΜΩΝ ΧΟΡΗΓΗΣΑΣ ΕΙΣ ΑΥΤΑ ΧΡΗΜΑΤΩΝ ΠΛΗΘΟΣ ΟΥΚ ΟΛΙΓΟΝ ΚΑΙ ΚΑΤΑΣΤΗΣΑΣ ΙΠΠΕΙΣ ΤΕ ΚΑΙ ΠΕΖΟΥΣ ΠΡΟΣ ΤΗΙ ΦΥΛΑΚΗΙ
26ΑΥΤΩΝ ΕΝ ΟΛΙΓΩΙ ΧΡΟΝΩΙ ΤΗΝ ΤΕ ΠΟΛΙΝ ΚΑΤΑ ΚΡΑΤΟΣ ΕΙΛΕΝ ΚΑΙ ΤΟΥΣ ΕΝ ΑΥΤΗΙ ΑΣΕΒΕΙΣ ΠΑΝΤΑΣ ΔΙΕΦΘΕΙΡΕΙ ΚΑΘΑΠΕ[Ρ ΕΡΜ]Σ ΚΑΙ ΩΡΟΣ Ο ΤΗΣ ΙΣΙΟΣ ΚΑΙ ΟΣΙΡΙΟΣ ΥΙΟΣ ΕΧΕΙΡΩΣΑΝΤΟ ΤΟΥΣ ΕΝ ΤΟΙΣ ΑΥΤΟΙΣ
27ΤΟΠΟΙΣ ΑΠΟΣΤΑΝΤΑΣ ΠΡΟΤΕΡΟΝ ΤΟΥΣ ΑΦΗΓΗΣΑΜΕΝΟΥΣ ΤΩΝ ΑΠΟΣΤΑΝΤΩΝ ΕΠΙ ΤΟΥ ΕΑΥΤΟΥ ΠΑΤΡΟΣ ΚΑΙ ΤΗΝ ΧΩΡΑΝ ΕΝΑ[ΝΤΙΩΣ]ΑΝΤΑΣ ΚΑΙ ΤΑ ΙΕΡΑ ΑΔΙΚΗΣΑΝΤΑΣ ΠΑΡΑΓΕΝΟΜΕΝΟΣ ΕΙΣ ΜΕΜΦΙΝ ΕΠΑΜΥΝΩΝ
28ΤΩΙ ΠΑΤΡΙ ΚΑΙ ΤΗΙ ΕΑΥΤΟΥ ΒΑΣΙΛΕΙΑΙ ΠΑΝΤΑΣ ΕΚΟΛΑΣΕΝ ΚΑΘΗΚΟΝΤΩΣ ΚΑΘ ΟΝ ΚΑΙΡΟΝ ΠΑΡΕΓΕΝΗΘΗ ΠΡΟΣ ΤΟ ΣΥΝΤΕΛΕΣΘΗΝΑ[Ι ΚΑΙ Τ]Α ΠΡΟΣΗΚΟΝΤΑ ΝΟΜΙΜΑ ΤΗΙ ΠΑΡΑΛΗΨΕΙ ΤΗΣ ΒΑΣΙΛΕΙΑΣ ΑΦΗΚΕΝ ΔΕ ΚΑΙ ΤΑ ΕΝ
29ΤΟΙΣ ΙΕΡΟΙΣ ΟΦΕΙΛΟΜΕΝΑ ΕΙΣ ΤΟ ΒΑΣΙΛΙΚΟΝ ΕΩΣ ΤΟΥ ΟΓΔΟΟΥ ΕΤΟΥΣ ΟΝΤΑ ΕΙΣ ΣΙΤΟΥ ΤΕ ΚΑΙ ΑΡΓΥΡΙΟΥ ΠΛΗΘΟΣ ΟΥΚ ΟΛΙΓΟΝ ΩΣΑΥΤ[ΩΣ ΔΕ] ΚΑΙ ΤΑΣ ΤΙΜΑΣ ΤΩΝ ΜΗ ΣΥΝΤΕΤΕΛΕΣΜΕΝΩΝ ΕΙΣ ΤΟ ΒΑΣΙΛΙΚΟΝ ΒΥΣΣΙΝΩΝ ΣΘ[…]
30ΩΝ ΚΑΙ ΤΩΝ ΣΥΝΤΕΤΕΛΕΣΜΕΝΩΝ ΤΑ ΠΡΟΣ ΤΟΝ ΔΕΙΓΜΑΤΙΣΜΟΝ ΔΙΑΦΟΡΑ ΕΩΣ ΤΩΝ ΑΥΤΩΝ ΧΡΟΝΩΝ ΑΠΕΛΥΣΕΝ ΔΕ ΤΑ ΙΕΡΑ ΚΑΙ ΤΗΣ Λ[ΟΓΙΖΟ]ΜΕΝΗΣ ΑΡΤΑΒΗΣ ΤΗΙ ΑΡΟΥΡΑΙ ΤΗΣ ΙΕΡΑΣ ΓΗΣ ΚΑΙ ΤΗΣ ΑΜΠΕΛΙΤΙΔΟΣ ΟΜΟΙ[ΩΣ]
31ΤΟ ΚΕΡΑΜΙΟΝ ΤΗΙ ΑΡΟΥΡΑΙ ΤΩΙ ΤΕ ΑΠΕΙ ΚΑΙ ΤΩΙ ΜΝΕΥΕΙ ΠΟΛΛΑ ΕΔΩΡΗΣΑΤΟ ΚΑΙ ΤΟΙΣ ΑΛΛΟΙΣ ΙΕΡΟΙΣ ΖΩΙΟΙΣ ΤΟΙΣ ΕΝ ΑΙΓΥΠΤΩΙ ΠΟΛΥ ΚΡΕΙΣΣΩΝ ΤΩΝ ΠΡΟ ΑΥΤΟΥ ΒΑΣΙΛΕΙΩΝ ΦΡΟΝΤΙΖΩΝ ΥΠΕΡ ΤΩΝ ΑΝΗΚΟΝ[ΤΩΝ]
32ΑΥΤΑ ΔΙΑ ΠΑΝΤΟΣ ΤΑ Τ ΕΙΣ ΤΑΣ ΤΑΦΑΣ ΑΥΤΩΝ ΚΑΘΗΚΟΝΤΑ ΔΙΔΟΥΣ ΔΑΨΙΛΩΣ ΚΑΙ ΕΝΔΟΞΩΣ ΚΑΙ ΤΑ ΤΕΛΙΣΚΟΜΕΝΑ ΕΙΣ ΤΑ ΙΔΙΑ ΙΕΡΑ ΜΕΤΑ ΘΥΣΙΩΝ ΚΑΙ ΠΑΝΗΓΥΡΕΩΝ ΚΑΙ ΤΩΝ ΑΛΛΩΝ ΤΩΝ ΝΟΜΙ[ΖΟΜΕΝΑ]
33ΤΑ ΤΕ ΤΙΜΙΑ ΤΩΝ ΙΕΡΩΝ ΚΑΙ ΤΗΣ ΑΙΓΥΠΤΟΥ ΔΙΑΤΕΤΗΡΗΚΕΝ ΕΠΙ ΧΩΡΑΣ ΑΠΟΚΟΛΟΥΘΟΣ ΤΟΙΣ ΝΟΜΟΙΣ ΚΑΙ ΤΟ ΑΠΙΕΙΟΝ ΕΡΓΟΙΣ ΠΟΛΥΤΕΛΕΣΙΝ ΚΑΤΕΣΚΕΘΑΣΕΝ ΧΟΡΗΓΗΣΑΣ ΕΙΣ ΑΥΤΟ ΧΡΥΣΙΟΥ ΤΕ Κ[ΑΙ ΑΡΓΥΡΙ]
34ΟΥ ΚΑΙ ΛΙΘΩΝ ΠΟΛΥΤΕΛΩΝ ΠΛΗΘΟΣ ΟΥΚ ΟΛΙΓΟΝ ΚΑΙ ΙΕΡΑ ΚΑΙ ΝΑΟΥΣ ΚΑΙ ΒΩΜΟΥΣ ΙΔΡΥΣΑΤΟ ΤΑ ΤΕ ΠΡΟΣΔΕΟΜΕΝΑ ΕΠΙΣΚΕΥΗΣ ΠΡΟΣΔΙΩΡΘΩΣΑΤΟ ΕΧΩΝ ΘΕΟΥ ΕΥΕΡΓΕΤΙΚΟΥ ΕΝ ΤΟΙΣ ΑΝΗΚΟ[ΥΣΙ ΕΧΩΝ]
35ΘΕΙΟΝ ΔΙΑΝΟΙΑΝ ΠΡΟΣΠΥΝΘΑΝΟΜΕΝΟΥΣ ΤΑ ΤΕ ΤΩΝ ΙΕΡΩΝ[14] ΤΙΜΙΩΤΑΤΑ ΑΝΑΝΕΟΥΤΟ ΕΠΙ ΤΗΣ ΕΑΥΤΟΥ ΒΑΣΙΛΕΙΑΣ ΩΣ ΚΑΘΗΚΕΙ ΑΝΘ ΩΝ ΔΕΔΩΚΑΣΙΝ ΑΥΤΩΙ ΟΙ ΘΕΟΙ ΥΓΙΕΙΑΝ ΝΙΚΗΝ ΚΡΑΤΟΣ ΚΑΙ ΤΑ ΑΛΛ ΑΓΑΘ[Α …]
36ΤΗΣ ΒΑΣΙΛΕΙΑΣ ΔΙΑΜΕΝΟΥΣΗΣ ΑΥΤΩΙ ΚΑΙ ΤΟΙΣ ΤΕΚΝΟΙΣ ΕΙΣ ΤΟΝ ΑΠΑΝΤΑ ΧΡΟΝΟΥ ΑΓΑΘΗΙ ΤΥΧΗΙ ΕΔΟΞΕΝ ΤΟΙΣ ΙΕΡΕΥΣΙ ΤΩΝ ΚΑΤΑ ΤΗΝ ΧΩΡΑΝ ΙΕΡΩΝ ΠΑΝΤΩΝ ΤΑ ΥΠΑΡΧΟΝΤΑ Τ[…]
37ΤΩΙ ΑΙΩΝΟΒΙΩΙ ΒΑΣΙΛΕΙ ΠΤΟΛΕΜΑΙΩΙ ΗΓΑΠΗΜΕΝΩΙ ΥΠΟ ΤΟΥ ΦΘΑ ΘΕΩΙ ΕΠΙΦΑΝΕΙ[15] ΕΥΧΑΡΙΣΤΩΙ ΟΜΟΙΩΣ ΔΕ ΚΑΙ ΤΑ ΤΩΝ ΓΟΝΕΩΝ ΑΥΤΟΝ ΘΕΩΝ ΦΙΛΟΠΑΤΟΡΩΝ[16] ΚΑΙ ΤΑ ΤΩΝ ΠΡΟΓΟΝΩΝ ΘΕΩΝ ΕΥΕΡΓ[ΕΤΩΝ ΚΑΙ ΤΑ]
38ΤΩΝ ΘΕΩΝ ΑΔΕΛΦΩΝ ΚΑΙ ΤΑ ΤΩΝ ΘΕΩΝ ΣΩΤΗΡΩΝ ΕΠΑΥΞΗΝ ΜΕΓΑΛΩΣ ΣΤΗΣΑΙ ΔΕ ΤΟΥ ΑΙΩΝΟΒΙΟΥ ΒΑΣΙΛΕΩΣ ΠΤΟ[ΛΕ]ΜΑΙΟΥ[17] ΘΕΟΥ ΕΠΙΦΑΝΟΥΣ ΕΥΧΑΡΙΣΤΟΥ ΕΙΚΟΝΑ ΕΝ ΕΚΑΣΤΩΙ ΙΕΡΩΙ ΕΝ ΤΩΙ ΕΠΙΦΑ[ΝΕΙΩΙ …]
39Η ΠΡΟΣΟΝΟΜΑΣΘΗΣΕΤΑΙ ΠΤΟΛΕΜΑΙΟΥ ΤΟΥ ΕΠΑΜΥΝΑΝΤΟΣ ΤΗΙ ΑΙΓΥΠΤΩΙ ΗΙ ΠΑΡΕΣΤΗΣΕΤΑΙ[18] Ο ΚΥΡΙΩΤΑΤΟΣ ΘΕΟΣ ΤΟΥ ΙΕΡΟΥ ΔΙΔΟΥΣ ΑΥΤΩΙ ΟΠΛΟΝ ΝΙΚΗΤΙΚΟΝ Α ΕΣΤΑΙ ΚΑΤΕΣΚΕΥΑΣΜΕΝ[ΟΝ ΚΑΤΑ ΤΟΝ]
40ΤΡΟΠΟΝ ΚΑΙ ΤΟΥΣ ΙΕΡΕΙΣ ΘΕΡΑΠΕΥΕΙΝ ΤΑΣ ΕΙΚΟΝΑΣ ΤΡΙΣ ΤΗΣ ΗΜΕΡΑΣ ΚΑΙ ΠΑΡΑΤΙΘΕΝΑΙ ΑΥΤΑΙΣ ΙΕΡΟΝ ΚΟΣΜΟΝ ΚΑΙ Τ ΑΛΛΑ ΤΑ ΝΟΜΙΖΟΜΕΝΑ ΣΥΝΤΕΛΕΙΝ ΚΑΘ Α ΚΑΙ ΤΟΙΣ ΑΛΛΟΙΣ ΘΕΟΙΣ ΕΝ [ΤΩΙ ΑΙΓΥΠΤΩΙ ΚΑΙ ΤΑΙΣ ΠΑ]
41ΝΗΓΥΡΕΣΙΝ ΙΔΡΥΣΑΣΘΑΙ ΔΕ ΒΑΣΙΛΕΙ ΠΤΟΛΕΜΑΙΩΙ ΘΕΩΙ ΕΠΙΦΑΝΕΙ ΕΥΧΑΡΙΣΤΩΙ ΤΩΙ ΕΚ[19] ΒΑΣΙΛΕΩΣ ΠΤΟΛΕΜΑΙΟΥ ΚΑΙ ΒΑΣΙΛΙΣΣΗΣ ΑΡΣΙΝΟΗΣ ΘΕΩΝ ΦΙΛΟΠΑΤΟΡΩΝ ΞΟΑΝΟΝ ΤΕ ΚΑΙ ΝΑΟΝ ΧΡ[ΗΣΘΑΙ ΠΑΝΤΩΝ ΤΩΝ]
42ΙΕΡΩΝ ΚΑΙ ΚΑΘΙΔΡΥΣΑΙ ΕΝ ΤΟΙΣ ΑΔΥΝΑΤΟΙΣ ΜΕΤΑ ΤΩΝ ΑΛΛΩΝ ΝΑΩΝ ΚΑΙ ΕΝ ΤΑΙΣ ΜΕΓΑΛΑΙΣ ΠΑΝΗΓΥΡΕΣΙΝ ΕΝ ΑΙΣ ΕΞΟΔΕΙΑΙ ΤΩΝ ΝΑΩΝ ΓΙΝΟΝΤΑΙ ΚΑΙ ΤΟΝ ΤΟΥ ΘΕΟΥ ΕΠΙΦΑΝΟΥΣ ΕΥ[ΧΑΡΙΣΤΟΥ …]
43ΧΟΔΕΥΕΙΝ ΟΠΩΣ Δ ΕΥΣΗΜΟΣ ΗΙ ΝΥΝ ΤΕ ΚΑΙ ΕΙΣ ΤΟΝ ΕΠΕΙΤΑ ΧΡΟΝΟΝ ΕΠΙΚΕΙΣΘΑΙ ΤΩΙ ΝΑΩΙ ΤΑΣ ΤΟΥ ΒΑΣΙΛΕΥΣ ΧΡΥΣΑΣ ΒΑΣΙΛΕΙΑΣ ΔΕΚΑ ΑΙΣ ΠΡΟΣΚΕΙΣΕΤΑΙ ΑΣΠΙΣ […]
44ΤΩΝ ΑΣΠΙΔΟΕΙΡΔΩΝ[20] ΒΑΣΙΛΕΩΝ ΤΩΝ ΕΠΙ ΤΩΝ ΑΛΛΩΝ ΝΑΩΝ ΕΣΤΑΙ Δ ΑΥΤΩΝ ΕΝ ΤΩΙ ΜΕΣΩΙ Η ΚΑΛΟΥΜΕΝΗ ΒΑΣΙΛΕΙΑ Ψ ΧΕΝΤ ΗΝ ΠΕΡΙΘΕΜΕΝΟΣ ΕΙΣΗΛΘΕΝ ΕΙΣ ΤΟ ΕΝ ΜΕΜΦ[ΕΙ ΙΕΡΟΝ]
45ΤΕΛΕΣΘΗΙ ΤΑ ΝΟΜΙΖΟΜΕΝΑ ΤΗΙ ΠΑΡΑΛΗΨΕΙ ΤΗΣ ΒΑΣΙΛΕΙΑΣ ΕΠΙΘΕΙΝΑΙ ΔΕ ΚΑΙ ΕΠΙ ΤΟΥ ΠΕΡΙ ΤΑΣ ΒΑΣΙΛΕΙΑΣ ΤΕΤΡΑΓΩΝΟΥ ΚΑΤΑ ΤΟ ΠΡΟΕΙΡΗΜΕΝΩΝ ΒΑΣΙΛΕΙΟΝ ΦΥΛΑΚΤΗΡΙΑ ΧΡ[…]
46ΤΙ ΕΣΤΙΝ ΤΟΥ ΒΑΣΙΛΕΩΣ ΤΟΥ ΕΠΙΦΑΝΕΙ ΠΕΙΗΣΑΝΤΟΣ ΤΗΝ ΤΕ ΑΝΩ ΧΩΡΑΝ ΚΑΙ ΤΗΝ ΤΡΙΑΚΑΔΑ[21] ΤΟΥΤΟΥ ΜΕΣΟΡΗΙ ΕΝ ΗΙ ΤΑ ΓΕΝΕΘΛΙΑ ΤΟΥ ΒΑΣΙΛΕΩΣ ΑΓΕΤΑΙ ΟΜΟΙΩΣ ΔΕ ΚΑΙ []
47ΕΝ ΗΙ ΠΑΡΕΛΑΒΕΝ ΤΗΝ ΒΑΣΙΛΕΙΑΝ ΠΑΡΑ[22] ΤΟΥ ΠΑΤΡΟΣ ΕΠΩΜΥΝΟΥΣ ΝΕΝΟΜΙΚΑΣΙΝ ΕΝ ΤΟΙΣ ΙΕΡΟΙΣ ΑΙ ΔΗ ΠΟΛΛΩΝ ΑΓΑΘΩΝ ΑΡΧΗΓΟΙ ΠΑΣΙΝ ΕΙΣΙΝ ΑΓΕΙΝ ΤΑΣ ΗΜΕΡΑΣ ΤΑΥΤΑΣ ΕΟΡΤ[ΗΝ ΕΝ ΤΟΙΣ ΕΙΣ ΤΗΝ ΑΙ]
48ΓΥΠΤΟΝ ΙΕΡΟΙΣ ΚΑΤΑ ΜΗΝΑ ΚΑΙ ΣΥΝΤΕΛΕΙΝ ΕΝ ΑΥΤΟΙΣ ΘΥΣΙΑΣ ΚΑΙ ΣΠΟΝΔΑΣ ΚΑΙ Τ ΑΛΛΑ ΤΑ ΝΟΜΙΖΟΜΕΝΑ ΚΑΘ Α ΚΑΙ ΕΝ ΤΑΙΣ ΑΛΛΑΙΣ ΠΑΝΗΓΥΡΕΣΙΝ ΤΑΣ ΤΕ ΓΙΝΟΜΕΝΑΣ ΠΡΟΘ[ΗΝΑΙ …]
49ΡΕΧΟΥΜΕΝΟΙΣ ΕΝ ΤΟΙΣ ΙΕΡΟΙΣ ΑΓΕΙΝ ΔΕ ΕΟΡΤΗΝ ΚΑΙ ΠΑΝΗΓΥΡΙΝ ΤΩΙ ΑΙΩΝΟΒΙΩΙ ΚΑΙ ΗΓΑΠΗΜΕΝΩΙ ΥΠΟ ΤΟΥ ΦΘΑ ΒΑΣΙΛΕΙ ΠΤΟΛΕΜΑΙΩΙ ΘΕΩΙ ΕΠΙΦΑΝΕΙ ΕΥΧΑΡΙΣΤΩΙ ΚΑΤ ΕΝΙ[ΑΥΤΟΝ …]
50ΧΩΡΑΝ ΑΠΟ ΤΗΣ ΝΟΥΜΗΝΙΑΣ ΤΟΥ ΘΩΥΘ ΕΦ ΗΜΕΡΑΣ ΠΕΝΤΕ ΕΝ ΑΙΣ ΚΑΙ ΣΤΕΦΑΝΗΦΟΡΗΣΟΥΣΙΝ ΣΥΝΤΕΛΟΥΝΤΕΣ ΘΥΣΙΑΣ[23] ΚΑΙ ΣΠΟΝΔΑΣ ΚΑΙ Τ ΑΛΛΑ ΤΑ ΚΑΘΗΚΟΝΤΑ ΠΡΟΣΑΓΟΡΕ[…]
51ΚΑΙ ΤΟΥ ΘΕΟΥ ΕΠΙΦΑΝΟΥΣ ΕΥΧΑΡΙΣΤΟΥ ΙΕΡΕΙΣ ΠΡΟΣ ΤΟΙΣ ΑΛΛΟΙΣ ΟΝΟΜΑΣΙΝ ΤΩΝ ΘΕΩΝ ΩΝ ΙΕΡΑΤΕΥΟΥΣΙ ΚΑΙ ΚΑΤΑΧΩΡΙΣΑΙ ΕΙΣ ΠΑΝΤΑΣ ΤΟΥΣ ΧΡΗΜΑΤΙΣΜΟΥΣ ΚΑΙ ΕΙΣ ΤΟΥ Δ[…]
52ΙΕΡΑΤΕΙΑΝ ΑΟΥΤΟΥ ΕΞΕΙΝΑΙ ΔΕ ΚΑΙ ΤΟΙΣ ΑΛΛΟΙΣ ΙΔΙΩΤΑΙΣ ΑΓΕΙΝ ΤΗΝ ΕΟΡΤΗΝ ΚΑΙ ΤΟΝ ΠΡΟΕΙΡΗΜΕΝΟΝ ΝΑΟΝ ΙΔΡΥΕΣΘΑΙ ΚΑΙ ΕΧΕΙΝ ΠΑΡ ΑΥΤΟΙΣ ΣΥΝΤΕΛΟΥ[ΜΕΝΟΙΣ …]
53[…]ΙΣ ΚΑΤ ΕΝΙΑΥΤΟΝ ΟΠΩΣ ΓΝΩΡΙΜΟΝ ΗΙ ΔΙΟΤΙ ΟΙ ΕΝ ΑΙΓΥΠΤΩΙ ΕΥΞΟΥΣΙ ΚΑΙ ΤΙΜΩΣΙ ΤΟΝ ΘΕΟΝ ΕΠΙΦΑΝΗ ΕΥΧΑΡΙΣΤΟΝ ΒΑΣΙΛΕΑ ΚΑΘΑΠΕΡ ΝΟΜΙΜΟΝ ΕΣΤΙΝ […]
54[…]ΤΕΡΟΥ ΛΙΘΟΥ ΤΟΙΣ ΤΕ ΙΕΡΟΙΣ ΚΑΙ ΕΓΧΩΡΙΟΙΣ ΚΑΙ ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΟΙΣ ΓΡΑΜΜΑΣΙΝ ΚΑΙ ΣΤΗΣΑΙ ΕΝ ΕΚΑΣΤΩΙ ΤΩΝ ΤΕ ΠΡΩΤΩΝ ΚΑΙ ΔΕΥΤΕΡΩ[Ν ΤΑΞΕΩΝ ΙΕΡΩΙ …]
Now that’s very Slavic isn’t it?! Hahaha man you’re killing me here-I’m busting a tear-duct from laughter.
And as for you Msr. Daniel- cut the ignorance- you have for decades been trying to steal Hellas’ history and have lost wars over it- and guess what, you’re going to lose this next one too spectacularly. And as for having you as an enemy- the smallest of anybody’s farts is more dangerous than you- funny way to make enemies by investing in them isn’t? What a fool…
Well try that for size “Peter Givens” I’m waiting for more of your nuggets of wisdom.
Ciao, Ciao fakers.
Some more fun reading:
Down in Southeastern Europe, the blame game continues following the April 2-4 NATO Summit in Bucharest. The following week, the political leadership in Athens and Skopje stayed home to calculate their gains/losses and to decide on the next steps … which will nowl include parliamentary elections in FYROM. The United States tried to keep itself in control of the process (despite several European leaders asking them “politely” to back away from this “European problem”) and demonstrated its preference for using the NATO entry track to keep senior American officials deeply involved in the negotiations.
At the end of the week, fortunately, the UN negotiating track was re-energised, with UN mediator Matt Nimitz announcing a return to the region sometime after April 14.
Let us review some of the possible worst case consequences if the new efforts fail. Allow me to quote from an article in the April 10 edition of the Wall Street Journal, by Janusz Bugajski of the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington D.C, entitled “Balkan Fix.”
NATO’s summit in Bucharest last week provided limited blessings for the Balkans. Although Albania and Croatia were invited into the alliance, FYROM was shunted into the waiting room, Serbia remained on the sidelines, and Russia’s persistent threats of renewed regional conflict over Kosovo went unchallenged. The most glaring summit negative was the postponed decision on FYROM’s NATO membership.
The country’s entry was blocked by Greece after years of stalled negotiations over the country’s name and the formal usage of that name. The FYROM appellation without a geographic or political qualifier is viewed in Athens as a direct challenge to Hellenic patrimony and identity, making it impossible for the Greek parliament to ratify FYROM’s NATO entry.
Unfortunately, the FYROManian authorities became overconfident that Washington would prevail as a mediator in the dispute with Athens and failed to adopt an acceptable compromise position. The country’s invitation to NATO depends solely on an agreement with Greece – a prospect that may now prove even more elusive than before the summit. It is hard to argue with Bugajski’s review of the summit’s results. Nor is this the place to blame Washington or Skopje for misreading Greek intentions regarding a veto on FYROM entry without an acceptable solution. Let us look at the possible negative regional consequences of a continuing stalemate. Again quoting Mr. Bugajski:
•In the wake of NATO’s postponement, FYROManian politics is likely to radicalise. The fragile government, already abandoned by its Albanian coalition partners, could be forced to resign if it agrees to a new name that would entail a constitutional amendment. One can expect a flurry of accusations against Athens and a resurgence of nationalist passions. But this would only diminish FYROM’s reputation as a reliable NATO candidate.
Unless a sound strategy is devised in negotiations with Greece, with high-level U.S. involvement, the ensuing political turmoil may encourage leaders of the Albanian minority to push for territorial autonomy in a swath of territory bordering Kosovo and Albania. This would capsize the Ohrid agreement painstakingly devised to ensure interethnic co-existence in a unitary state following the Albanian insurgency in the summer of 2001.
The broader regional consequences of not resolving FYROM could also prove destabilizing. If Skopje does not promptly recognize Kosovo’s statehood and fails to conclude a border agreement with Pristina, it could encourage some Albanian militants inside FYROM to push for territorial adjustments. The militants might also conclude, in the absence of NATO membership, that Macedonia is merely a “temporary state.”
Russia will also seek to benefit from FYROManian uncertainties by prodding for closer economic, political and security ties with Skopje and claiming to be a stalwart protector against pan-Albanianism and “Islamic terrorism.” The objective will be to add another property on Moscow’s expanding Monopoly board and construct a chain of Balkan dependencies stretching toward Central and Western Europe.
Mr. Bugajski lays out a pretty frightening scenario which could, with the wrong alignment of factors, take us as far as the title of this Airgram: “Oblivion.” By this I mean the dissolution of FYROM as we know it today with its territory divided up in a yet-to-be -devised formula among its Slavic and Albanian neighbors, (but probably all of them NATO or EU members or on track for it. ) Of course, Bugajski has dwelled excessively on the downside risks in order to justify his prescription of “high-level U.S. involvement” which many in Europe believe actually contributed to the failure at Bucharest (as an overconfident Skopje failed to compromise).
Would it be so bad for the Balkans if the territory that is now FYROM joined NATO and the EU attached to Bulgaria, Albania or even Kosovo? This writer is not so convinced that this is a net loss for anybody in the region beyond those with high governmental positions in Skopje, and a few NATO country ambassadors who enjoy living there. It might contribute to more effective regional transport and energy networks and increased resistance to Russian efforts to re-penetrate the Balkans. Let us not forget, foreign embassies were — as recently as 2001— planning their evacuation from Skopje when the Albanian insurgency managed to briefly shell the international airport (then called Petrovec, now called “Alexander the Great”), south of Skopje. This is recent history.
With this in mind, one would think the political leadership in Skopje would understand what is at stake in the upcoming negotiations with Greece - accommodation or oblivion. Even more, the voters in FYROM will need to examine these issues carefully in the upcoming elections. It is clearly their choice, not one for Athens or elsewhere.
Mmm I like the sound of that- enjoy your temporary statehood.
There are three distinctive texts on the Rosetta Stone. The Demotic text has recently been deciphered as Ancient Macedonian, very similar to present-day Macedonian.
http://rosetta-stone.etf.ukim.edu.mk/EN/index.html
But you should be commended on your ability to copy/paste from Wikipedia. Well done!
Admittedly Wikipedia is by no means the best source of information out there; but it beats the Spokaganda you have been throwing at us hands down.
That link however is some of the most idiotic nonsense imaginable. my brain hurt reading it- and nice bastardisation of the name “Aristotelis” by the clown who wrote it- you going to steal our names too?!- at least Wikipedia is peer-reviewed and has some credibility; I commend you for putting up some magnificent Skopaganda- try telling the academic community that the Rosetta Stone has an Ancient Slavic language on it- as that’s what so-called “Macedonian” is; they’ll kill themselves laughing. Nobody has ever even supported this idiotic theory- even your own scientists don’t as you’ll see below; it looks like a “Ristov Special” to anybody who actually has a shred of education or a brainstem for the matter.
So you’re pretty much telling me then Monsiuer MKD that you can read the text I transcribed for you and understand it? If so then bravo, you’re Hellenic.
Now to destroy your claims I actually contacted the Egyptology department of the British Musuem and this is their reply a while ago when I got wind of this idiocy:
Subject: A quick question about the Demotic text of the Rosetta stone
Greetings
As far as I know the demotic text of the Rosetta stone has been decoded and translated many years ago. However, two academics from the UKIM university in Skopje, Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia claim to have decyphered the code and identified it as Slavic instead of Egyptian. Mr. Boshevskis and Tentovs work has been published in the official pages of UKIM: http://rosetta-stone.etf.ukim.edu.mk…v-appendix.pdf
What is the Brittish museums position to this claim? Is it accepted as an ortodox method of decypherment, is it under examination or has it been dropped?
Kind Regards
…….
Luckily I received an answer…
Dear Mr …,
Thank you for you enquiry about this piece of research on the Rosetta Stone. The common consensus among Egyptologists is indeed that Demotic was successfully and fully deciphered in the 19th century and that the language - now very extensively studied - is a form of Later Egyptian (e.g. Antonio Loprieno, Ancient Egyptian: A Linguistic Introduction, Cambridge University Press), from the Afro-Asiatic language family. As far as I am aware no Egyptologist or historical linguist has given any credence whatsoever to this alternative theory.
With best wishes,
… …
Dr R. B. …
Assistant Keeper (curator)
Dept of Ancient Egypt and Sudan
The British Museum
London WC1B 3DG
Hmm that sure destroys your point MKD
And more: In 1858, the Philomathean Society of the University of Pennsylvania published the first COMPLETE English translation of the Rosetta Stone. Three undergraduate members, Charles R Hale, S Huntington Jones, and Henry Morton, made the translation. The translation quickly sold out two editions and was internationally hailed as a monumental work of scholarship.
SORRY, NO TRACE OF THE FYROMIAN LANGUAGE ON THE ROSETTA STONE
The text is made up of three translations of a single passage, written in two Egyptian language scripts (hieroglyphic and demotic), and in classical Greek.
The Rosetta Stone is a well-known example from a series of decrees, the Ptolemaic Decrees, issued by the Greek Ptolemaic dynasty, which ruled Egypt from 305 BC to 30 BC.
“The Rosetta stone is the purest testimony of the Greek origin of Macedonians”
M Cary
The Rosetta stone 196BC is a stone tablet bearing three inscriptions in two languages. It became the key for unlocking the lost language of hieroglyphs & provided a portal to the ancient world of Egypt. Thanks to the help of Greek language the revealed ramifications were astounding. Great secrets of the past & new stories of the Bible would be unraveled, all by virtue of this single stone. Greek Macedonian Dynasty played a very important role providing this portal to Ancient Egyptian history
The Rosetta stone is dated to March 196 BC, in the 9th year of Ptolemy V. The background to the setting up of the stela was the confirmation of the control of the Ptolemaic kings over Egypt. The Ptolemies were Greeks who had been ruling Egypt since the fragmentation of the Empire of Alexander the Great, and while they built temples in the Egyptian style, their lifestyle and language remained exclusively Greek. Egypt had by now become a multi-cultural society, a mixture of Greek and Egyptian
FYROMs SCIENTIST: Mariya Stankovska-Dzamali [Epigraphist scientist] in Utrinski Vesnik (Skopian newspaper)
“What worries me is the modern trend to proove the existance of an ancient Macedonian language as well to relate the modern Macedonian language with it.I think first & foremost about the work of both informaticians in which they appear with exegesis of the Demotic script from the Rosseta Stone.
The most shocking was the publicity given to this exegesis in the Macedonian newspapers & TV stations
Demotic script is a handwritten variant of the Egyptian hyerogliphes and it is deciphered in the 19th century by the French scientist Champolion.The Rosseta Stone is not the only one who carries this script, there are hundreds of tablets, monuments and stones which are perfectly truly deciphered.
With all the noise,Macedonia lost much in the eyes of International International Science. After excursions like these, it is difficult to proof that we have serious scientists, too.”
More links:
http://www.omniglot.com/writing/egyptian_demotic.htm
http://www.crystalinks.com/egyptlanguage.html
And a final note: nteresting note: it is hosted on the “etf” subdomain of the UKIM University website.”Etf” stands for “Elektro-tehnički fakultet”-”Electro-Technical Faculty”
How absurd! A paper of linguistic nature (never mind that it is pseudoscientific to the core) is on a webpage of an Electro-Technical Faculty!
The explanation is simple. This Aristotel Tentov character is specialized in Electrical Engineering and how someone with such skills can be related to an entirely irrelevant, yet complex topic in linguistics field is really beyond me! I guess this is what years of Communism does to your brains.
Nice try but no one buys it.
Here’s what Tentov had to say:
“Thanks for your interest in the Rosetta Stone, and our results concerning
deciphering the middle text on it.
Despite contemporary scholars who assumed that the middle text is written using
so called demotic script in ancient Egyptian language, our assumption is very
simple: the rullers of Egypt in that period was Ptolemaic dynasty, descendant of
Ptolemy I Soter which was one of the gernerals of the Alexander of Macedon.
Since every ruler make his own language the official language of the conquered
territories, it is expected that the Ancient Macedonian should become the
official language of the Ancient Egypt. When the British conquered among other
territories Australia, they didn’t learn Aborigian language, but make their
mother language the official in that territory.
Ancient MAcedonian didn’t spoke Greek language, they even don’t understand each
other with Greek soldiers. Ancient Macedonian kingdom rules for almost 300 years
with the civilised world, and it is very unlogical to say that they didn’t know
to write on their language at all.
Based on this crucial assumption, using wiring for sound only for consonants and
vowels from modern macedonian language, and detecting the syllabic signs on the
middle text, we are now able to read and write sign by sign on this script.
Contemporary schollars are not able to read sign by sign, they can only read
word by word, assuming that thye middle tex and ancient greek text are not only
with same content but additionaly have the same order of words in the
sentencies. This is another highly unlogical assumption, because different
languages naturaly have different order of words in sentencies.
Beacuse on our site we present the level of our knowledge on this matter in the
middle of year 2006, we are now planning to update it with new results. At this
moment we are in position to read sentence by sentence, and these results shows
that the middle text is with same contents (as one should expect) as the ancient
Danai text. But, this is the only and one similarity. The structure of
sentencies, the order of words, and the way of expressing is very different and
unique in the middle text, and also with far more details.
I hope that I succedd to explain a little bit more on this matter, and I’m
stying at your disposal for further questions and clarifications.”
Best regards,
Aristotel Tentov
Hmm note the pathetic grammar, stupid arguments and the fact that this work is not based on a rigorous scientific or any other academic method save for speculatively guessing what each symbol means and you have an exercise in stupidity at its finest.
These clowns who produced this hogwash are not historians. One is portrayed as an ‘Academic’ from M.A.N.U. (Macedonian Academy of Arts and Science) and our clown here Tentov is from the “Institute of Computer Technique and Informatics at the Faculty of Electrical Engineering in Skopje”. In other words two unrelated clowns both with linguistics and history;I always thought you need grounding in those disciplines to be able to write articles on it; guess you don’t in FYROM- but then maybe my education at Australian National University and Tokyo University (among the top 20 in the world) have been shamed by the meticulous attention to scholarly integrity and expert use of all relible/credible academic sources; I wasted my life going to credible educational instutitions when FYROM has such great courses in Pseudosciences, Psuedohistory and Historical Fabrication…
Bravo FYROM, your education system shames us all. (hahaha)
One last word:
“We have often heard from the Macedonists that they are not Bulgarians but Macedonians, descendants of the Ancient Macedonians, and have always waited to hear some proof of this, but have never heard it. The Macedonists have never shown us the basis for their beliefs. They insist on their Macedonian origin….”
— Petko Slaveykov, (Bulgarian: a man who knows where he’s from unlike you jokers)
VMRO Pride: http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/3029/grujicay8.jpg
………..so that we can pay our debts to our free brothers by supporting our future work on the holy idea of Serbdom because we were until now in the darkness of the propagandistic schools”
This is a 1888 petition by a group of students of the Bulgarian school in Thessaloníki to the Serbian Ministry of Enlightenment and Church Matters:
Signed among others by Damijan Grujović, later known as Dame Gruev, one of the top bosses of historical VMRO.
No Further Comment. Game over.
Hellenic Headbreaker,
Greeks are not as pure as you make them out to be. There is enough proof that Greeks originate from Africa. Many well known scholars have proved this. Quotes include
“THE BLACK GREEKS
Black Athena. This book has nothing to do with Afrocentrism. In the two volumes published thus far, Bernal maintains that Semites from Phoenicia and the Semitic Hyksos speaking rulers of Egypt, took civilization to Greece, not Black Africans.
J.A. Rogers in Sex and Race, Parker, Diop and DuBois on the other hand, are Afrocentric scholars. These scholars have reviewed the writings of the classical authors, the anthropological, linguistic and historical evidence to reach the conclusion that the ancient Greeks were blacks and that the European Greeks learned the liberal arts and sciences from their “black ancestors” who first settled Greece and the Egyptians.
According to the Olympian Creation Myth the earliest groups to appear on earth were the Libyco-Thracians .The Libyans were Proto-Saharans, as were the original Thracians. Some Thracians were descendants of the Kushite and Egyptian troops established at Trace, by Sesostris (Thutmose III or Ramses II), when he conquered Asia and Europe.(Diop 1991; Winters 1983a,1984b,1985a)
Many of the so-called Greek myths are in reality historical texts which show the ancient lifestyle of the pre-Aryans in Greece and the transition from Pelasgian matriarchy to Greek-Aryan patriarchy. The term Amazon was often used by the Aryans to denote matriarchal societies living on the Black Sea. The battle between Thesus and the Amazons, led by Queen Melanippe, records the conflicts between the ancient Aryan-Greeks and the Libyans settled around the Black Sea.
Dr. Lefkowitz (1992) and Snowden (1992,1976) perpetuate the myth that the only blacks in ancient Europe were slaves or mercenaries. This is false the Greek historical works make it clear that many ancient settlers of the Aegean came from Africa , especially the Garamantes and Pelasgians. G. W. Parker wrote that: “I need not go into details concerning the ethnical relations of the Romans, since they, too are Mediterranean and are closely related to the same African confederation of races …[situated in Greece]. Aeneas, their mythical founder of Troy. The Aenead, like the Illiad, and Odyssey and all other of the world’s great epics, is the poetic story dealing with African people”. The heroes of these tales used long shields, the characteristic shields of the Indo-European speaking Greeks were round.
The Eurocentrists attempt to prove there was “considerable cultural and linguistic continuity from the twelfth century to the eight century BC” ,in the Aegean . Yet there is no way it can be proven that Indo-European Greeks have always been in Greece. This view on the continuity between the Linear B Greeks and later Greeks held by Lefkowitz is disputed by Hopper who noted that ” after all, so much which characterizes Minoan Crete seems wholly alien to later Greece, despite the efforts of scholars to detect ‘continuity’ ” .
Given the wealth of Afrocentric literature it would seem logical that the Eurocentric “resisters” review these works, and point out the weaknesses within these text to prove that Afrocen- trism is a “myth” (Lefkowitz 1992). But, instead of doing just this, the “resisters” simply mention text written by Afrocentric scholars and then attack Black Athena, as if Afrocentrism is based solely on this text.”
You are not as pure as you claim.
Global - You allow Hellenic Headbreaker to continually insult the Macedonians, yet you don’t my screen my comments like mine where I counter-attack by referring to the Greeks as AfroGreek in response to being called FYROMians or FYROM etc.
Your terms state that others are to be treated with respect. You are not treating the Macedonians with equal respect. The blog is to be based on “Bulgaria-Macedonia” relations yet you let him preach on and on about how false the Macedonians are.
Unfortunately you are not being fair! You have lost my respect and I won’t be the last if you continue the path you have taken.
The truth must hurt eh “Macedonia” (stop appropriating my heritage) is not Greek”- mind you Mr. Headbreaker never insulted you in the slightest and has at least provided ample evidence to prove the falsity of your and your countrymen’s claims.
Now as for Non-Greek’s gibberish- you “sir” are the racist.
I have actually read that piece of cr*p and threw it across the room before I even read the first chapter. Of course I forced myself to finish it just so I could understand our enemies better. I thoroughly enjoyed Mary Lefkowitz book “Not Out of Africa” I loved everyone of her rebuttals; absolutely hillarious stuff considering this filth being used by propagandists.
Now I find it amazing how trash like that can actually be taught at Universities. I know that they have tried to teach it at the University I went to and my Classics professors quickly put a stop to that as it insulted their intelligence and the intelligence of the academic community. It is also amazing how they can base so much of it on a Free Mason secret ritual that were based on Egyptian ideas(Ideas is the key word since at the time Hieroglyphics were not even deciphered so all the rituals were based on the IDEAS of a few priveledged white men.) Black people basing some of their evidence on white racist rituals.(the Free Mason until recently refused any admittance of Blacks into their society.)
What the afro-centrists and FYROM have in common is REVISIONISM and distorting of historical, linguistical, archaeological proofs and sources to obtain an IDENTITY FOR THEMSELVES! Why can’t people just be proud of who they are and who their ancestors were? I always believe in giving credit where credit is due, but this is a time where there is no credit due to any of these people especially when it is Hellenic credit.
Now for more reading:
Why has the “true” identity of the founders of classical and Western civilization been reasserted at the present time? Bernal himself has provided the explicit answer to this question.
Trained in Chinese studies, and a teacher and researcher of intellectual relations between China and the West at the turn of the twentieth century, according to his own public revelations, Bernal became concerned after 1962 with the war in Indochina. He studied Vietnamese both to contribute to the movement against American military involvement there and for its own sake ( BA 1:xii). In 1975 he rediscovered his own Jewish roots:
In 1975 came to a mid-life crisis. The personal reasons for this are not particularly interesting. Politically, however, it was related to the end of the American intervention in Indo-China and the awareness that the Maoist era in China was coming to an end. It now seemed to me that the central focus of danger and interest in the world was no longer East Asia but the Eastern Mediterranean. This shift led me to a concern for Jewish history. ( BA 1:xii-xiii)
He also tells us that it was specifically the exploration of his Jewish roots that led him to look at Jewish history in relation to Canaanite and Phoenician history. His subsequent “discovery” of a large number of loan words from Canaanite/Phoenician into Greek led him, in turn, to the stories of the Phoenician colonization of Greece. The search for the quarter to the third proportion of Greek vocabulary which could not be attributed to Indo-European or Phoenician/Canaarn’te sources brought him to late ancient Egyptian.) and the stories of the Egyptian colonization of Greece (1:xiv-xv).
Thus a specific social and personal context gave birth to the new founda- tion myth of the West: it was conceived in Bernal’s mind during the years of the Vietnam War and the civil rights movement in America; it developed as he rediscovered his own Jewish roots only two years after the victory of Israel in the Yom Kippur War, and less than a decade after the dramatic triumph of the Six Day War, at a time when many Jews living in the Diaspora reassessed their relationships to Judaism and Israel.
It was therefore no accident at all, or the result of an impersonal scientific inquiry, that when the new foundation myth first saw the fight of day, its identity was Afro-Asiatic. The social and personal context in which it was conceived by Bernal ensured that the new founders of classical civilization should only be Egyptians (some of whose most powerful dynasties could “usefully” be called black) and Phoenicians (who were culturally related to the Jews). That context also explains why people who spoke Indo-European languages, such as the Hittites, had to be left out of the new foundation myth of the West. It was not simply because “Aryanist” scholars of the nineteenth century, hunting around for Indo-European language speakers to fit their racist theories, had championed the contributions made by the Hittites and others to Greek civilization. The Hittites and others were also excluded because Bernal could not trace his own personal roots or changing intellectual interests to the Hittites, the Hurrians, or the Babylonians.
Such a reconstruction of Bernal’s enterprise as the above is inevitable; he himself has anticipated such a reconstruction, possibly because he has applied precisely such a method of historiographical analysis to countless scholars in Black Athena. Indeed, he has tried to mitigate the implications of such a reconstruction of his endeavor. He has taken care to insist that even where scholars have worked within the Aryan model, the origins of their projects do not necessarily invalidate their results ( BA 1: 442).
The origins of a scientific project may well be divorced from initial consideration of its results (and it is perhaps to Bernal’s credit that he has openly laid out what he wants the world to believe about the story behind Black Athena). But if, after due consideration, the results of a project appear to be closely linked to its origins, scholars are obligated — as Bernal himself has felt obligated — to examine the relationship between the two. Given the stated social and personal contexts from which Black Athena evolved, it is hard in retrospect not to see the entire enterprise of Black Athena as a massive, fundamentally misguided projection upon the second millennium B.C.E. of Martin Bernal’s personal struggle to establish an identity during the later twentieth century.
The outcome of that struggle has been the creation of a highly selective myth of influences on early Greek civilization. As we have seen (and much more evidence could easily be produced), the selectivity of Bernal’s foun- dation myth cannot be explained on the basis of the ancient evidence; the reasons for that selectivity he inescapably in the personal odyssey of Martin Bernal.
What utter hogwash you have provided, you people make me laugh. First it was the idiotic remark about the Rosetta Stone and now this; you FYROMians are masters of comedy.
Notidis the AfroGreek Magnificent- you sound so similar to the AfroHellenic Headbreaker. Aren’t you the same person? If not both of you AfroGreeks sound so similar.
Facts are there - Today’s AfroGreeks are not direct descendants of the ancient people living in Europe. DNA’s have clearly proven this. Fanatic AfroGreeks like yourself will never accept the truth. This is understandable for the many narrow minded AfroGreeks.
You will continually deny this and claim the “Greek” purity in all of todays AfroGreeks and that all other races have never been part of Macedonia etc.
At the same time you will come up with any crap to justify the hardships you have forced the Macedonians to experience today and in the past. Part of the world may go along with you, however many country have realised your stupidity. Hopefully all other NATO and EU country will also come to a point where Greece will be told not be the spoilt EU brat anymore. EU has baby sat you for too long.
You are just another AfroGreek.
Non Greek- Mr. Notidis appears to be the only other individual besides me who has a brainstem here. Now as regards your claims; no one has ever given them any shred of credibility. Keep the insults coming, that just proves my point that you are nothing more than an ignorant clown who will be laughed at and that your people are nothing more than racist charlatans- first it is this stupid afrocentrism claim and then the swastika on our sacred flag.
The world is laughing at FYROM and their ridiculous claims- the claim Hellenes are descended from Africa is about as believable as you mob being descended from Ancient Macedonians- in other words, both purely fictional accounts. If you knew anything the Minoans are descended from Anatolia for starters- do some reading for a change instead of eating up that Communist Skopaganda, it’s pathetic. Why don’t you give real evidence instead of pseudoscientific claims that have been debunked? Maybe because you have none.
Enjoy the ignorance- I feel I do not have to explain anything to you; your stupidity speaks for itself and my time is better spent elsewhere. If you think your people have experienced hardship from us supposedly, just wait until the EU veto and what the Bulgarians (your kinsmen) and Albanians will do to you- can you say Western Bulgaria and Republic of Irrilida- or better yet, Greater Albania- the nightmare of 2001 will come back 100 fold and it’s a shame really; you’re fighting for your survival.
Besides who are you kidding- are we that effective at brainwashing the whole world?! That sounds like you playing the ‘victim card’ as always- laugh it up- if Hellas were as spiteful as you claim it would crush you in two minutes but then all those millions of Euros and tens of thousands of jobs we have created for you ingrates would go to waste. For shame.
That aside I won’t stoop to your level, I’ll just pummel you with facts and evenutally you’ll develop a semblance of intelligence.
All I can do is shake my head at your ignorance.
Ahem- note the typo- it should read “Republic of Illirida” as in that which is founded by Illyrians.