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Chine : Carrefour sous la menace d'un boycott...

ar:

الصين: كاريرفور تحت تهديد المقاطعة....

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Shina : Kendrena atao ankivy ny Carrefour...

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China: Carrefour bajo amenaza de boicot...

70 Responses to
“China: Carrefour under boycott threat”

1. April 16th, 2008 at 16:11 pm
   Le:
   1

   There are Chinese people working at Carrefour, so boycotting it is not a good idea. We as Chinese however can refuse to go visit Europe. I was planning to, but I reroute my trip to go to China instead. We have to refuse to go to France, Germany, Brittain, and countries that want to boycott Beijing Olympics!!!!

2. April 16th, 2008 at 16:50 pm
   Have a glass on me! at:
   2

   [...] the boycott was French wine and food. Now, comments such as this have been circulating online (See Global Voices Online for full [...]

3. April 16th, 2008 at 17:28 pm
   why not:
   3

   cum on! The jobs will go somewhere else domestically . French companies repatriate interest back. Why Chinese do not kick its ass and replace their super giant monoply markets with Chinese ones.

4. April 16th, 2008 at 17:36 pm
   Bill:
   4

   粪青乃我党的安全套,高潮之后即弃之

   The patriotic youngsters are the condom of the party— discarded right after high tide.

   A better translation of “高潮” in this context should be “orgasm”.

5. April 17th, 2008 at 0:55 am
   Nano:
   5

   @Le,

   I agree with you that boycotting Carrefour is not a good idea. Carrefour is actually helping China with its investment and employment of Chinese workers. Avoid visiting and spending in these western countries or avoid buying wine or items actually produced from France are a better move. At this stage, our targets must be more specific lest we will be hurting the very interests (Chinese) we are trying to protect.

6. April 17th, 2008 at 1:20 am
   Charles Liu:
   6

   Hey, the China haters have been calling for boycott of Chinese products for years.

   What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

7. April 17th, 2008 at 3:45 am
   Clyde Fernandes:
   7

   Interesting read this was, I dont know wat’s better a brain washed chinese or a brain washed american.

8. April 17th, 2008 at 5:05 am
   Charrred John:
   8

   It is understandable. France has to pay for whay they did in Paris. I sugest Chinese government to review its pro-west policy and let Chairman Mao style strong leader taking over China.

9. April 17th, 2008 at 5:14 am
   Young:
   9

   以牙还牙，以血还血。

10. April 17th, 2008 at 6:05 am
    oneworld:
    10

    Chinese who speak English and any other languages need to have a bilingual blog, start to communicate with the West, one person at a time. Internet is democracy for the masses, overseas Chinese has use it as a weapon against the western media biased reporting for the past month. We can continue using it for our benefit!

    It will be struggle for 2 -3 genrations, like Black people in this country. It has been more than 40 years since MLK. For the west to understand China and Chinese, it will take that long if not longer. When my grand children grow up in the Unitecd States, I hope they do not have to deal with the bias we are dealing with now. My son’s generation will need to continue the struggle.

    Chinese government needs to encourage the establishment of “THINK TANK”, non profit organization like committe100.org and sponsor cross culture training in and outside China so they can be more forward looking and start the PR and ad war using the western media.

    On the other hand, China is a great country, our leaders need to realize that with power comes great responsibility. ZD is never good for our country, yet dialogue is never bad. I understand that without CIA or Congressional special fund of $2 million tax payer’s money per year, there will be no Dalai Lama. Yet since he is there, rather than let him begging all around the globe and make trouble, why not talk to him.

    I understand Chinese government wants to keep th status and run out of the clock, yet, there are many factors not within our control. Rather than defending ourselves, why not start a strategic offense sson.

    Olympic is still about 3 plus months away, we need to change the dialogue somehow, otherwise, something will happen in Beijing when all the world media is in China. All these paid ZD and SD supporters will be in Beijing to make trouble.

11. April 17th, 2008 at 6:16 am
    jane:
    11

    Boyccotting Carrefour is an attitude.No matter what method we adopt,it show our determination on this event.
    Well,it is unwise but we should surport it!

12. April 17th, 2008 at 7:41 am
    中国人:
    12

    很多外国人不明白中国的事情，不了解中国的人民，这一点我们不能迁强，但在这里看到一些中国人用中文亵渎着自己的祖国和人民我真的很难理解。
    为什么中国人一爱国就非要是受到共产党的指引吗？爱国是一个人的本能，只是有些人丧失了而已。
    抵制家乐福是事出有因，我们又有什么错？中国的超市很多，家乐福支撑不了全中国的企业。
    And here I have some questions to ask the Western friends. Before you showing your excellent opinions on China’s human rights, how many of you have been to China? how many of have even read a singal book about China? We sincerely want to be friend with you, but only one side effort is not enough, we need bilateral understanding. We seldom talk about your life style, that’s not because you don’t have problems in your society or we don’t care for this. That only because we believe you have your choice. We respect you choice, so you had better respect ours. If you really care for our life and worry that we are living in a bad situation. Now I shall tell you the truth: we are leading a very happy life here, don’t worry! Just enjoy you own life and let’s be friends! We really appreciate your scilence or reasonable advice!

13. April 17th, 2008 at 10:28 am
    www:
    13

    some French should be shamed on their ignorance

14. April 17th, 2008 at 13:49 pm
    Angela yu:
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    Maybe it’s right that we boycott agianst Carrefour is ridiculous,maybe that it is true we will push our industry into a tight corner,but you know ,We love our country so much ,how could we do? Well, indeed we are all angry person, and you have no right to insult our loves ,and there is no circumstance that you could boycott our government and betray our country!
    Definitely,It’s not a good way to boycott Carrefour for there are too many Chinese work for it and that will make our life harder,but this is we Chinese will,we want to boycott it ,and we glad to accept the concequence ,and you know ,our government also often “boycott” the western products by adding Tax. you know ,it’s a common phenomenone,our government anti-Japan or anti-German which is so called finance conflict.So, Why we can’t boycott it? Maybe one day the tension between two country will come to ease and we won’t be allowed to boycott the products ,and so what?That is our way to express our angry and sorry for what the Frenchmen have done to us!That is not the point what the government will do ,but us! We boycott Carrefour and You say there isn’t anything about the France,but the fact is they also care and fear about the boycott.you will see the French president will change his attitude to China ,and absolutely we will recover our relationship ,but what is the point ,in your words ,Chinese humman right is the Frenchmen’s business snd what they will have got by doing this.

15. April 17th, 2008 at 13:56 pm
    joan:
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    I agree to boycott it ,although there are many people against that.But I will boycott it .Because this is the only thing we can do to say NO to the Western countries Maybe it’s right that we boycott agianst Carrefour is ridiculous,maybe that it is true we will push our industry into a tight corner,but you know ,We love our country so much ,how could we do? Well, indeed we are all angry person, and you have no right to insult our loves ,and there is no circumstance that you could boycott our government and betray our country!
    Definitely,It’s not a good way to boycott Carrefour for there are too many Chinese work for it and that will make our life harder,but this is we Chinese will,we want to boycott it ,and we glad to accept the concequence ,and you know ,our government also often “boycott” the western products by adding Tax. you know ,it’s a common phenomenone,our government anti-Japan or anti-German which is so called finance conflict.So, Why we can’t boycott it? Maybe one day the tension between two country will come to ease and we won’t be allowed to boycott the products ,and so what?That is our way to express our angry and sorry for what the Frenchmen have done to us!That is not the point what the government will do ,but us! We boycott Carrefour and You say there isn’t anything about the France,but the fact is they also care and fear about the boycott.you will see the French president will change his attitude to China ,and absolutely we will recover our relationship ,but what is the point ,in your words ,Chinese humman right is the Frenchmen’s business snd what they will have got by doing this.

16. April 17th, 2008 at 14:14 pm
    与你无关:
    16

    西方的朋友们啊,如果我们支持你们的一个州，一个岛独立，你们会怎么做，你们有没有想过你们会怎么做，你们从来都是五十步笑百步，如果我们支持黑人独立，你们会怎么做，你们要怎么做！！！！！！！记住，你们一定要尊重他们的人权啊！不可大骂，更不能镇压哦！！！！你们很注重人权的！！！！！！我们都知道这一点的

17. April 17th, 2008 at 14:25 pm
    与你无关:
    17

    Oh！my dear friend ,if there is a island want to be independent from your country ,what will you do !It’s kind of protest ,not terrorism ,likes Tibetan’s protest what you called.Your humman right is higher than our country so you I am sure you will admit they have their own country ! Is it right ,For gods sake!

18. April 17th, 2008 at 14:34 pm
    与hatred无关:
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    Oh my dear!I was quite sure you will admit that Corsica is independent from France !For God’s Sake

19. April 17th, 2008 at 15:21 pm
    Le:
    19

    I never like French, most of them are arrogant and racists!

    Now I know why U.S.A got the twin towers treament in 9/11

20. April 17th, 2008 at 16:19 pm
    Free Corsica:
    20

    Free Corsica..Free Hawii…Free Scotland…Free Quebec…Free Chechenia…free the world ethenic groups. And after that, China will follow your western democrapy and set the Tibet free.
    Oh…don’t forget to return the America and Australia to natives

21. April 17th, 2008 at 17:00 pm
    Le:
    21

    Nano, with people like you and me backing China, she will NOT split. Cheers

22. April 17th, 2008 at 17:52 pm
    Le:
    22

    At first, I do NOT support boycott of Carrefour, but now, hey the youngsters can go at it if it makes them feel proud. My best wishes to China, Chinese in mainland and abroad.

    Support Olympic, oppose Tibet-independence; boycott French products and Carrefour!

23. April 17th, 2008 at 20:58 pm
    maiki:
    23

    Hey, another funny thread on this side with funny chinese people. May the torch with you guys. Enjoy life instead of hacking into your computers. You wont get any sympathy by that from other countries. But your enough in your country so you can beat out us by numbers, especially if you could get more than one child ;-)

24. April 18th, 2008 at 1:30 am
    tingting:
    24

    U.S. Academic Defends China, Citing Progress

    April 15, 2008; Page A9
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120819955370513509.html
    BEIJING — Susan Brownell has qualifications that few can match as an authority on sports in China.

    An academic and Virginia native, Ms. Brownell speaks and reads Chinese. She has lived in China for years and knows all the top Chinese sports officials. To top it off, she was a nationally ranked U.S. track-and-field athlete who also competed on Chinese teams.

    SPORTING INTEREST

    • Background: Susan Brownell, a University of Missouri, St. Louis, anthropologist, is an expert on Chinese sports. She speaks Chinese and was once a track-and-field athlete.
    • Her View: She believes China’s sports system isn’t an evil medal machine as sometimes portrayed, and she says Beijing is a worthy Olympics host.But Ms. Brownell has a conclusion that many in the West might find surprising: that China’s sports system isn’t the evil medal machine portrayed in the popular press. She also thinks China will not only put on a good Olympics but is a worthy host in the best tradition of the Olympics — even with the turmoil in the West over Tibet.

    “The moment is right for China to hold the games,” says Ms. Brownell, who thinks the uproar can help push a rethink in China about its policy toward Tibet and other minorities. “How it responds, we’ll see.”

    Susan Brownell
    Ms. Brownell has laid out her views in her second book on China’s sports system, “Beijing’s Games: What the Olympics Mean to China,” which was published in February. She says she expects the book to be widely criticized.

    In fact, she says even her mother had trouble with the book.

    Last summer, when she was revising the book, she went home to visit her mother and asked her to review it. While Ms. Brownell sat on an upstairs balcony reading proofs, she began to hear her mother on the patio below.

    “She’d yell upstairs her disapproval,” Ms. Brownell says. “It was the idea that China is an evil government that oppresses its people — human rights, religious freedom and so on.”

    Ms. Brownell doesn’t dispute that China has problems, but she says many Western criticisms are hypocritical or ignore the huge progress China has made in many areas. More than that, she sees the two sides’ failure to understand each other as a tragedy.

    “When you see the enthusiasm, the idealism and the faith in a better future and then when you look at the perception abroad — that it’s propping up a regime, air pollution, child-athlete factories — there is a disjuncture,” Ms. Brownell says.

    Ms. Brownell, a 47-year-old anthropologist at the University of Missouri, St. Louis, has also recently translated into English the biography of China’s only member of the International Olympic Committee. And she has gone further, sometimes advising Chinese officials on how to be more effective in communicating with the West.

    In the small world of academics who write on sports in China, Ms. Brownell’s positions are by far the most optimistic.

    “Susan wants to counteract prejudices against the PRC and she seems, sometimes, to become an apologist for the regime,” wrote Allen Guttmann, a professor at Amherst College in Massachusetts who has written on sports history, in an email answer to a query. “Mostly, however, I think she’s about as objective as is possible. I don’t think, in anthropological jargon, that she’s ‘gone native.’”

    Susan Brownell is in Beijing on a Fulbright grant, researching a book on the Games.
    Ms. Brownell says some of her sympathy for China comes from her personal athletic and educational background. She grew up on a farm near the Appalachian Mountains in Lexington, Va. That was before the Title IX federal act required schools to give girls equal access to sports. She ran on the boys track team in high school and went to University of Virginia on a full athletic scholarship. She was immediately attracted to anthropology because she felt it tried to understand other cultures rather than immediately judge them.

    In sports, her disciplines were the pentathlon and heptathlon. She competed in the 1980 and 1984 Olympic trials but didn’t make the team. She went to China the next year as a graduate student in anthropology at the University of California, Santa Barbara. While in China, she competed for a team made up of Beijing athletes in the 1986 National College Games. Her stunning success — she won a gold in the heptathlon and two silvers — earned her the sobriquet of “The American Girl Who Won Glory for Beijing.”

    She was on her way to qualifying for the 1988 U.S. Olympic trials, which would have meant an impressive three straight trials. But she realized that it wasn’t her profession anymore and stayed on in China. “I had to say I am an anthropologist, not an athlete,” she said.

    In 1995, she came out with a book on the growing importance of sport in China, which also recounted her adventures in Chinese athletics. She said participating in China made her realize that Chinese athletes are hardly different from other countries’.

    “I got involved in figure skating in the U.S. and believe me, the children there are up at all hours practicing, and the parents are pushing them, too,” she says. “When I see things like ‘assembly line of pain’ in the U.S. media to describe Chinese sports schools, I think it’s ridiculous.”

    Susan Brownell, far left, accepting the sixth-place award for Beijing University in the 1986 Beijing City College Meet.
    One of the main problems, she says, is that the people who write about Chinese sports know very little about China. “One of the problems really is sports journalism,” she says. “Most sports journalists are commentators and don’t really investigate.”

    Western reporters, she says, also assume that much is secret in China and use that as an excuse to make all sorts of claims or generalizations. She was recently asked by a reporter for a national U.S. magazine to use her contacts to get him a copy of China’s policy on athletes’ commercial endorsements. Half an hour later, Ms. Brownell emailed the reporter a copy — it had been on the sport authority’s Internet site. “People assume it’s all secret in China but that’s only because they can’t read Chinese,” she says.

    Likewise, she views skeptically generalizations about Chinese not having a sports history — a critique often made to debase China’s gold-medal haul. The argument is that China participates in the Olympics only to win national glory and not out of any legitimate sporting tradition. But Ms. Brownell says that most of what we know about the Olympics is based on more than a century of intense archaeological work in Greece. That sort of work has never been done in China, she says.

    A cursory glance at the written record, however, shows that some sports, such as horse racing and wrestling, played key roles in some of the dynasties that ruled China. “China has been written out of sports history,” she says.

    This accounts for the lack of non-Western sports in the Olympics — in fact, the only explicitly non-Western sports are judo from Japan (introduced at the 1964 Tokyo games) and tae kwan do from Korea (introduced at the 1988 Seoul games). China tried to get its own form of martial arts, wushu, introduced this year, but the request was turned down.

    Although she now has tenure at the university, her efforts to understand — and even help — China haven’t always been to her professional advantage. She spent four years translating the biography of IOC member He Zhenliang for a government-run press in China. She did it because she “felt a sense of mission” to explain China’s IOC involvement from its point of view. She has also screened government Olympic ads aimed at foreigners.

    “Chinese do have trouble communicating with Westerners,” she says. “They are more reserved and formal and careful.”

    Ms. Brownell is in Beijing for the year on a Fulbright grant. She is researching a book on how the Games played out and putting down her thoughts occasionally on a blog (http://thechinabeat.blogspot.com/). The U.S. Embassy in Beijing has asked her to write a biweekly blog.

    “I view my work as a cultural bridge. I assume that how I write is not how Chinese people see it, and they wouldn’t agree with everything, but I do my best to represent their views so they can be understood by English speakers

25. April 18th, 2008 at 1:56 am
    good:
    25

    Boycott all French goods.

    These cheese eater, filthy smelly cowardy pigs must be punished.

    French pigs, get out of China.

26. April 18th, 2008 at 3:43 am
    ur chinese friend:
    26

    Are there any solid evidence that Carrefour is supporting the Free-Tibet movement? As much I dislike the French (who likes them anyway?), just because it’s a French company doesn’t mean it it wants to split China. The key to sustaining a big businesses is risk management. Unlike Western politicans, big businesses do not need to please any Tibetophiles or Sinophobes to become popular. Supporting Tibet carries a big business risk with no return at all. If Carrefour execs are stupid enough to be engaged in this type of controversial politics, then you don’t even need to boycott it in order to punish these execs. It’s shareholders will force out the management in no time.

27. April 18th, 2008 at 7:13 am
    Nano:
    27

    1) It was reported that “Wang Guangyi and Lu Hao, two of the biggest names in China’s roaring contemporary art scene, said they would not take part in a June exhibition at a Paris gallery because of French attitudes toward the Olympics.”

    That’s a good move, guys.

    2)And it was also just been reported that “China is the main source of dangerous goods in Europe, according to a safety report by the European Commission.”

    Look’s like the EU’s anti-China campaign hasn’t let up yet.

28. April 18th, 2008 at 8:10 am
    Brad:
    28

    ” Look’s like the EU’s anti-China campaign hasn’t let up yet. ”

    Everything seems to have an ‘Anti-Chinese’ slant to it doesn’t it?

    You really think western governments just sit around and talk about how they can demonize those pesky Chinese? - don’t flatter yourself.

29. April 18th, 2008 at 13:01 pm
    Alloush:
    29

    I would like Imagine The Olympics in U.S.A, since she is Occupying Iraq, and we all knew about Abo-Ghraib, I wonder If such a media will call for not attending the Olympics, or at least distort the picture of U.S.A.

    Tibet problem should be treated away from Olympics.
    Politics and Sport should not be mixed.

30. April 18th, 2008 at 14:32 pm
    Nano:
    30

    @Brad,

    Of course, Western governments are not idly sitting around chatting about demonization of those pecky Chinese. They have many better things to do - for example, how best to establish hegemony over Iraq and Afghanistan. They already got Kosovo in their bag and the next target is Iran. As for the demonizing of the Chinese, they left it to their Western media. The results of their propanganda campaigns have been largely successful as indicated by their recent polls:

    “A new poll shows that Europeans now see China — not the US — as the biggest threat to global security.

    The transformation of China’s image from a land of economic opportunities to one of global threat is seen largely as a result of the Western media coverage of the Asian economic power (China).

    Leonard (from the European Council on Foreign Relations) pointed out that Europeans only glean their information about China from the news coverage, which has recently been unfavorable, whereas their view of the US is also based on their exposure to American popular culture.”

    You wrote ‘Everything seems to have an ‘Anti-Chinese’ slant to it doesn’t it?’ No, not everything, but now those coming out from the EU and USA concerning China, mostly do.

31. April 18th, 2008 at 16:27 pm
    tingting:
    31

    冒着被开除社会党的危险 终于有法国议员敢站出来仗义执言了

    终于有法国议员敢站出来仗义执言了！！

    　Jean Luc Melenchon 先生是法国参议会议员，Essone区代表，社会党人。在全法伐中的时刻，党民媒体一心一意鞭打中国的时候，他冒着被开除社会党的危险跳出来为中国人说上几句话。
    　　
    　　他这篇日记里面涉及到的西 藏历史内容可有开山劈道的意义。不知道他从哪里得到的资源，但他的确相比其他政客是有认真研究过这个主题的。从他的语气看出来他是不吐不快的性情中人，一个有脑有行动力的人。日记到了发表第二天已经超过七百人回复，支持者占绝大多数，许多中国专家提供了很多宝贵信息。电视报纸已经有相关报道，声名大噪。
    　　
    Jean Luc Melenchon 先生的blog 原文地址: http://www.jean-luc-melenchon.fr/?p=585

    (点击图片查看原尺寸大图)

    一个借口
    　　
    　　如果要组织有效的抵制活动，就不应该选择在开幕式这种代表团结博爱的时刻。为什么不选择在经济上或者金融上进行抵制？—很显然，没有任何政要会在这个时候走条路。如果我们真想敲醒中国政府，为什么不在国家间正常交往的期间去督促？有谁去接近过中国政府主席（有多少抵制者真正想要知道他叫什么名字？）？向他问了问题？问了什么？他回答了什么？有谁询问过中国总理（有谁真正想知道他的名字？）？谁有接待过中国驻法大使并且跟他交流？谁在乎他？带着一种近似种族歧视的狂妄态度，我们就这么去反对一个我们连国家领导人名字都不知道的国家？而且我们还假装他们不存在？或者我们认为那里没有真正的领导人？伟大的西方连一个14亿人口的国家的领导人的名字都否认掉。我们以为中国人足够懦弱以至于被一个专 制体系操纵！看到这一切，我只感觉到了强迫中国人进行鸦片交易时候那些殖民者的蔑视，这蔑视的共鸣！如果我们的意愿是对抗中国 政治体制，已经格式化的西方人的看法，已经没有任何方法可以改变。
    　　
    　　所以西 藏的起 义是个借口。这个谎言完全靠图像的反复传播来达到先入为主而控制大众思考方向的目的。例子：只有‘d’arrêt sur image ’这个机构报道了‘西 藏事件’
    　　
    　　开始于藏人屠 杀汉人商人。在世界上哪一个国家出了这样的事情却没有外来反应，它会怎么想？一个被藏人乱棍打死的中国汉人的生命就比不上那些上街游行的藏 人吗？虽然说对西 藏人的友谊有时候只是反华的一个恶心的借口—-而这份友谊可以用无知和荒唐来喂养。也许警方的镇 压很重—-但是我们怎么知道？唯一的信息和数字来自于‘西 藏流亡政府’。我却听说中国政府也公布了伤亡结果，这表明当局承认事态的严重性。在任何一种情况之下我们都要尝试去了解和对比信息。我们要去了解事态如何发展。我们也可以颠倒是非地说当年是由政府下令把两个Clichy Sous Bois的少年弄上电杆触电死亡的—-因为政府当时正要对郊区进行整顿。没有人会下这种幼稚的结论。美国政府也严厉镇 压城区的暴乱。虽然这些都不能当作借口，但是至少给了我们一个对比的参考。
    　　
    　一个可疑的人物
    　　
    　　我要对Robert Ménard先生，也就是反 华活动的主要组织者提出我的意见。直到现在，只要跟西 藏和奥运有关，我们只看到这个人物。他说他代表着‘无 疆界记者’说话，好像这个组织就剩他一个人在代表了。许多旧行政委员会的会员对民主概念的认识可比Ménard还深得多。在‘法国文化’无线台，主持人在问我西 藏和奥运的问题，当我扮演Ménard这个角色的时候，Marc Kravetz 和 Alexandre Adler先生表现得很沉默。他们并不是在讨好我。在台下，他们发表了对Ménard这个人物的手段和看法。Maxime Vivas有一篇关于他的分析，对于这个人物以及其资金来源十分担忧。无论怎样，他好像从此就成了记者工会头目，代表国际人 权组织以及大 赦国际组织等等。他有时还会取代Dalai的位置，而Dalai是支持奥运的。Robert Ménard是个成几何形状立方速度发展的人 权卫士。当美国正在折磨别国的时候，他有发动过什么活动吗？他的行为让人不得不怀疑他的动机。
    　　
    　不能为农奴制辩护
    　　
    　　说说西 藏。西 藏从14世纪就属于中国。在Besançon 或者 Dôle并入法国以前，拉 萨就已经在中国的统治之下。把1959一次藏民暴 动定义成为年中国入侵西 藏是错误的。我们难道能说，当法国共和军队去那里镇 压保皇派的起义，法国于是就‘占领’了Vendée？Dalai和其他藏 区领导者接受了所有共 产党赋予的位置，比如说共 产 党人民代表大会副主席的位置。1956年共 产 党决定废弃西 藏和边境地区的农奴制。农奴制把藏人分成了三个阶级九个层次，每一层都有一个‘价位’，奴隶主可以决定奴隶的生死甚至实施折磨。共 产党决定废弃农奴制，我十分赞同。我们还没有探讨到女人的地位，当然如果想知道的话一定能查到。是共 产党结束了地方头目间的暴力斗争和僧侣犯法时候的血腥处置。
    　　
    　　1959年，在冷战的背景下，藏 人的起义是由美国支持的，无论在物资上还是财力上。接着，迷人的Dalai传统体制和恐 怖的共 产党 入侵史就这么来了。藏族儿童的入学率现在是81%，达 赖统治下的田园岁月则是2%。在地狱一般的中国，奴隶们的年均寿命从以前的35，5岁到现在的67岁，藏族人口从1959年的1百万到现在的2百50万，这些数字为什么他们在游行的时候不说？中国人值得更多的尊重，而不是去关注那些老生常谈—-这些传言被这样一种人兜售着：他们这么做既不为了自己，不为了组织，也不为了佛教西 藏那些皇帝一样的僧侣统治下的孩子们。
    　　
    　　此时此刻，我对‘xz流亡政府’没有任何同情心可言，因为它的教皇陛下是唯一的最高决策者，他的班子没有一个能在一个政府里工作，何况是流亡政府，当然我们还没提及在金融和事务中他们是什么样子。我完全不认同他们的神权政治。我也反对他们把孩子成批吸收进修道院。我反对农奴制。无论在哪里，对于什么，我都是无神论者，所以我反对宗教上的政治专 制，甚至‘丁丁在西 藏’里那让人心醉的世界都不能使我动摇。我还反对‘僧侣皇帝’反对堕胎和反对同性恋的态度。虽然他不暴力，一直微笑着，风采迷人，但是他对于这两方面的宣言对于我来说是那么腐旧，他的神权统治计划也一样。我从来没有支持过Ayatollah Khomeiny,虽然我当时反对的是伊朗的Shah。我不支持也不鼓励Dalai，他的宗教（跟我无关），他的政治计划（我反对）和他让步的尝试（我谴责）。我要问：为什么Dalai 需要一个国家的身份去当他的精神领袖 ? 而且他要的国家是中国国土的四分之一！他在宗教上和道德上的权威是不是还缺一个王位和国土来支持他？
    　　
    战争的挑拨者
    　　
    　　说说国际法和地缘政治。西 藏的故事被它的拥护者塑造成战争暴力和混乱的被害者，可以跟Balkans相提并论。什么样子的西 藏是被捍卫的？是那个‘大西 藏’：包含了云南和四川地区，在那些配合拉 萨一并发动暴 乱的地区？当然，现在兴奋的人们忘了这些事情。对这些问题的漠不关心，对中国历史文化的漠视，对千千万万人生命的漠视，支持藏 独的狂热体现出来的就是就是这么完整的家长式作风，后现代殖民主义和种族歧视。
    　　
    　　在报纸上我看到法国运动员身穿一件带有标语的衣服，标语带有政治性质。我很清楚，标语上写着‘为了一个更好的世界’，看似普普通通。但是对于一般的中国人来说，这道标语明确携带着支持Dalai 的信息。这难道不是超出了国际体育的范畴了吗？还记得吗？欧洲游泳联盟会把欧盟游泳冠军Milorad Cavic（塞尔维亚人）驱逐出会，因为当他在领奖台上领奖的时候，他的t恤衫上写着‘科索沃是塞尔维亚的’。这会成为判例法案吗？法国冠军穿着政治标语，在赛场是被禁止的吗？当然不是！
    　　
    　　除了把敌人大卸八块的意愿或者媒体导演手段加以修饰，形势很可能会造成成为那些挑衅者的窘困。我希望如此。我是中国的朋友。我知道我自己国家的利益和它的价值正在这场闹剧中不可能得到任何好处。

32. April 18th, 2008 at 17:01 pm
    Le:
    32

    Bravo! You said it right Nano and UR Chinese friend!

    To those blind democrat supporters who refuse to see the truth! You’ve got to be kidding me, so this is the kind of free thinking skills that you have learned all these years. You are trapped inside your own belief, democracy is your GOD! You refuse to look beyond the limitation to see the truth. [sigh] It’s very sad! This is very dangerous you know!!!!!

33. April 18th, 2008 at 17:02 pm
    TENNIE:
    33

    well,Boycott is a manifestation instead of the ultimate goal.YOU SHOULD UNDST!

34. April 18th, 2008 at 18:12 pm
    Charles Liu:
    34

    @nano, “Look’s like the EU’s anti-China campaign hasn’t let up yet”

    Actually, to be fair while I understand why, I do not agree with the boycott. France is bein scapegoated for her partner’s transgression.

    Here’s an article that talks about the German, American, and Canadian’s role in orchistrating the Olympic flame protests:

    http://www.german-foreign-policy.com/en/fulltext/56145

    “Canadian journalist reveal that a German Foreign Ministry front organization is playing a decisive role in the preparations of the anti-Chinese Tibet campaign. According to this information, the campaign is being orchestrated from a Washington based headquarters. It had been assigned the task of organizing worldwide “protests” at a conference organized by the Friedrich Naumann Foundation (affiliated with the German Free Democratic Party - FDP) in May 2007. The plans were developed with the collaboration of the US State Department and the self-proclaimed Tibetan Government in Exile”

35. April 18th, 2008 at 19:10 pm
    Brad:
    35

    Nano:

    Funny how many chinese seem to be so surprised at how the rest of the world seems to ‘dislike’ China… but of course you think it’s just the west that feels this way.

    China has really offered the rest of the world very little over the past 100+ years, now all of a sudden expect everyone to just start loving China because there is a bit more money in the Chinese coffers.

    Chinas rise has been crude at best. Most are still poor and uneducated.

    China needs to take care of itself and stop worrying so much about what everyone else thinks of them - a real show of insecurity, typical of the Chinese really.

    Chinese nationalism is almost to the same degree as the USA, no wonder they are disliked almost as much.

36. April 18th, 2008 at 19:21 pm
    pj:
    36

    im a swiss and i feel ashamed of the role of the western medias included the swiss media. and as an european i feel ashamed of the situations in paris and london and how the police was acting there. i realy understand and accept the wish to show the whole world that chinese are not willing to accept everything. the western companies were and still are earning a lot of money in china. so let them feel what chinese people are thinking about the very bad style of the western countries during the last weeks! maybe after such a lesson the western countries will realize that west need east as well as east need west - because we just have one world.

37. April 18th, 2008 at 19:37 pm
    Eric Hu:
    37

    Although I am kind of anti-Carrefour, it is also a public relation nightmare for both chinese and French.
    Hopefully, it will be a minor conflict when two great nations meet and realize some difference between each other and I believe the wisdom from both sides can help and get over this painful time.

38. April 18th, 2008 at 21:25 pm
    jeroen:
    38

    To everybody on the whole planet. Please stop thinking in black and white. Not every european is anti-china. I personally love the country and most of its people. But of course there are different opinions, because of a different culture. In my pesonal opinion the european politicians can have critism, but the chinese government can still act in the way that they think is best. Boycotting the olympics is stipid (it mostly hurts the athlets), boycotting the French is just as stupid because most French are just normal people, who are just like the athlets not politically active.

39. April 18th, 2008 at 21:35 pm
    jay:
    39

    china very good!

40. April 18th, 2008 at 23:25 pm
    Global Voices Online » China: One world, one dream, and one multi-front protest:
    40

    [...] can't wait to get out to those, it seems, just like Chinese hackers, having already gotten into [...]

41. April 19th, 2008 at 1:21 am
    Nano:
    41

    @Charles Liu,
    “France is bein scapegoated for her partner’s transgression.”

    I can understand the Chinese’s anger at France and the Chinese’s call for a French boycott. Look at the article at the top and you can see why.

    “1. Before the relay, a FRENCH TV station called on people to protest on street for the reason that they “don’t want Chinese flags flaunting all over”.
    3. The FRENCH police in charge of security simply stood by to see the separatists snatching the torch, and striking the disabled torch carrier.
    4. At where the torch went by, HORDES OF FRENCH waved the flag of separatists, clamoring “Free Tibet’, “Shame on China” to protest against China.”

    In addition, Sarkozy (the French President) soon after the recent violent tibetan riots, set the mood and declared that he would not attend the opening ceremony of the Olympiad.

    If you were to observe the conducts of the French during the Torch relay and the attitude of their President, it is not difficult to discern the whole picture. France is not been scapegoated - France is indeed an active participant of the anti-Chinese Tibet campaign.

42. April 19th, 2008 at 2:03 am
    Brad:
    42

    France? anti-China?

    I’m sure it is, along with many other nations…

    You seem to think this ‘anti-china’ is all just coming out into the open now. Overall, the world has felt this way towards ‘backwards’ China for decades.

    France vs China:
    France 60 million, China 1.3 BILLION… who has offered the WORLD the benefits and positives of their individual cultures… architecture, art, music, education, food… China? don’t think so - and now you all want the respect of the world because you are holding the olympics for the first time in your 4000+ year history? too funny.

    Deal with it.

43. April 19th, 2008 at 4:45 am
    Oscar:
    43

    中国以前是落后的,因为中国被八国联军一洗而光.中国虽然落后,并不代表以后就会落后,我们拥有13亿勤劳勇敢的中国人,我们会用自己的双手创造财富.我们中国有一句话叫做:”是金子总会发光的.”历史会见证谁是金子,谁不是金子.我们中国还有一句话叫做:”如果你不尊重别人,别人也不会尊重你.”

44. April 19th, 2008 at 5:21 am
    Oscar:
    44

    china was backwards because the Eight Power Allied Force have robbed and burned all fortune of china.china was backwards didn’t represent we will be backwards in the future.There are 1.3 billion chinese in china,they are Industrious and brave.we can make fortune through our own hands.There is a saying in china:”The gold will glitter if you are .”it will prove who is gold,and who is not in history.there is another saying in china:”you won’t gain respect if you don’t respect others.” we chinese will do better to gain our respect.

45. April 19th, 2008 at 5:23 am
    Luis:
    45

    Chinese should stand firm and not take any of these abuse anymore. Let them know you can dish it out also with a successful boycott.

46. April 19th, 2008 at 8:24 am
    Carrefour needs catchy mobile meme | Lost Laowai China Blog:
    46

    [...] The French government supports an independent . The original call for boycott reads as follows: The Olympic torch relay that just ended in Paris is not as peaceful as most of Chinese know about. [...]

47. April 19th, 2008 at 12:18 pm
    Stanley:
    47

    My cute Brad:
    I donot h a t e u ’cause u r still a kid
    with your eyes blocked by those fkg politicians
    it’s the time u dislike China,for how long? 50years?
    but it’s also the time Chinese having h a t r e d towards u and france ass es.for 150 years or so. there’s no your business in the matter. never invlove yourself in these things.I’m telling u for your own good.
    there’s no need for u clowns pee ing trough their mouths.
    if China hadn’t gave u anything
    what r the fkg antiques displayed in Musée du Louvre, the british museum, thousands of silver robbed by your fuckin’ great-grandfathers,and HongKONG, and Macao?
    Chinese r treating french well enough
    as well as the…what? Oh,the free-tibet ass es
    China is not planning sth as u did to Japan in 1945
    but soon if u becomes a typical.

48. April 19th, 2008 at 12:53 pm
    Kaibo:
    48

    I am an Australian citizen. I have been in China for most of the last five years.
    I fully support the actions of the Chinese government in Tibet. China is currently one of the most responsible world governments.

    Tibet has been set free gradually from a dark past.
    How great is darkness if the light you perceive as freedom is in fact deception.
    Tibetans now live longer. They have housing, education, jobs, more abundant food, medical services, freedom of choice, etc. It will get better and better in the future for them as well.

    Most westerners are blinded by the so called light of the Dalai Lama. The catholic communities can be so devoid of spirituality that they have the Dalai Lama come and preach freedom and spirituality to their people.
    Certainly, I can understand the French “Carrefour” getting into bed with the Dalai Lama because of France’s former state/catholic/capitalist regime.
    That was the whole point of the Marxist protest & surge in Europe, to liberate people from the power of the state/cathlolic/capitalist domination.

    Today the Tibetan people are liberated from state/Tibetan Buddhist domination to choose and to live a better life, instead of being dominated by a regime of darkness under Tibetan dominance and rule.

    Too many westerners are blinded by the false light of mysticism portrayed from the Dalai hill of deception.

    I only wish I could be at the head of the thousands of people protesting over Carrefour.
    France and many other G8 nations have exploited so many underdeveloped nations throughout history and given nothing but a legacy of poverty of strife.
    Wake up western world!
    China is currently and has formerly provided medical assistance, hope and infrastructure development to poorer and less fortunate nations.
    China shut you out to protect its’ own children and future. Whose fault is that? Is it not the invaders who perpetrated crimes against China from the 15th century right through into the early nieteenth century.
    You were not the ones invaded by the G8 at the turn of the century. China was! they had a righ to close their doors for a lack of trust in the western world and capitalist domination.

    It is time for the blind leaders of the blind and hypocrites of the nations,to fix up their own backyards & to accept that China has forgiven you your past.
    How about showing your light and forgive China for any former injustices you may imagine.
    Get the facts right from the start.
    Every nation makes mistakes as we all grow towards harmony with each other.

    God Bless China and God bless freedom and friendship for all nations.

    Thank you China for opening your doors and your hearts to the world and to me. I will always treasure my time here.

    Deng Xiao Ping was a modern day statesman and visionary for a more harmonious society and world and he is one of my most admired individuals in modern day history.

    Don’t fear what you can’t control oh nations of the world. Take China’s example and extend the hand of cooperative interdependence.

    Fellow Australians, if you lose this friendship with China, you lose your hope for prosperity.

    Having lived here for several years now, I can see why China shut her doors to the invaders.

    Let’s keep the doors open and bless each other with a cooperative and more prosperous future.

49. April 19th, 2008 at 17:05 pm
    jay:
    49

    中国人民万岁.我们不是政治家.我们希望合平统一.抵制奥运是无耻的.我们不希望看到战争

50. April 20th, 2008 at 13:11 pm
    Leon:
    50

    That enculé called Brad or sth, u’d better find a biblioteque and read some books about World’s modern history before you open your shitting mouth and talk about CONTRIBUTION. Funny, ah? ur chere maman is funny, asshole.

51. April 20th, 2008 at 13:21 pm
    jon:
    51

    Maybe a lot of people here do not study history, if you study history, you would have a better picture what is going on recently. All these events are not happening suddenly. China has been the most advance empire during the last 4000 years, but during the last couple of hundred years which rule by the Qing Dynasty, unfortunately the King of Qing Dynasty encourage people study art and enjoy life but neglect the power of the military buildup. So it gives the Barbarians the chance to invade. Together there are 8 nations which led by USA, France, Britain, and Germany invaded China when it was at the weakest point in history during the late 1800’s and early 1900. The recent events shows those nations invaded China during 1900 are afraid of China getting stronger and stronger, therefore always try to evilize China and try to weaken China from within, just like the Tibet event. During the last 30 years, China from nothing to become the #3 economy in the world, no nation in the history of mankind can achieve this progress in such a short period of time, therefore all those nations invaded China were afraid.

52. April 20th, 2008 at 17:53 pm
    Brad:
    52

    @jon.

    Funny how a small country such as England could ‘invade’ China, England at that time 15-20 million population, while china at that time most likely had 700 miilion +… was china that pathetic?

    I don’t think any country is ‘afraid’ of china, I think the world basically just doesn’t ‘like’ chinese. I think the world was a better place when china was not taking all the resources of the world, wanting cars, tvs, western lifestyle, etc…. please, just stay backwards for the betterment of the planet, ok?

    There’s nothing good that can happen, and I know china will continue to be the most polluted country on earth, why? because chinese just don’t get that aspect of life. face/money/fakes.

53. April 21st, 2008 at 3:31 am
    Jon:
    53

    As the modern olympics are a product of France, maybe the Chinese should be calling for a boycott of the games as well as Carrefour. Seriously, does anyone see the irony in overseas Chinese using their right to assemble freely and demonstrate to protest in favour of an authoritarian government that would deny them these rights in their own country? Haven’t seen them hit the streets to protest their governments actions in Dafur, that would probably be frowned upon by whoever organises these events.

54. April 21st, 2008 at 4:15 am
    kaibo:
    54

    EJPRESS

    Raanan Eliaz is a former Director at the Israeli National Security Council and the Hudson Institute, Washington D.C. He is currently a PhD candidate at the Catholic University of Leuven, Belgium, and a consultant on European-Israeli Affairs.

    France’s new president, Nicolas Sarkozy, lost 57 members of his family to the Nazis and comes from a long line of Jewish and Zionist leaders and heroes, writes RAANAN ELIAZ.

    In his biography Sarkozy tells he admired his grandfather, and through hours spent of listening to his stories of the Nazi occupation, the “Maquis” (French resistance), De Gaulle and the D-day, Benedict bequeathed to Nicolas his political convictions.

    ________________________________________________________________

    My comment:

    Sarkozy’s grandfather was a Jew who converted to Catholicism. Obviously Sarkozy has an understanding of human tragedy and presumed persecution.
    That does give him perhaps a misconceived idea of the Tibetan problem but a passion to change what he determines as an injustice or human rights violation.

    With the global appeal of the Dalai Lama and the vast catholic population worldwide, plus the vast numbers deceived by the “false light of deception” from the Dalai Lama”. many western people, including Sarkozy, misunderstand the truth of what history has told us about Tibet.

    My view is this; with China’s integration and influence in world affairs, Tibet will benefit.

    A backward Tibet, “a backward China” will only further increase world environmental and social problems.

    China is by no means backward anyway:
    average IQ is higher than the west, manned spaceflights and exploration, advanced medical procedures and breakthroughs against AIDS (remission) in New York, technological assimilation and integration in development, etc.

    Most definitely, common Chinese people need to shift into top gear with the environment; national pride needs to demonstrate this in all citizens contributing to the clean-up.

    However, China as a responsible goverment, has more funds and is funding more environmental solutions than any nation on earth.

    I have read a report which suggests that China currently has some 468 billion USD earmarked for environmental development and solutions that is actively being employed through SEPA and other agencies.

    We need a forward thinking western community to assist and to provide technological assistance to China and to its’ neighbours for the cleanup nad we also need other nations to prioritise their policies as well and clenup their own backyards.

    China has a strategy for saving the planet because China loves the world’s children as much as they love their own children.

    If Tibet were allowed to remain in the “dark ages” then the necessary research funding and development of Tibetan society, would in fact disadvantage the attempts to halt global research into environmental hazards for the region.

    What the world also fails to realise is that China’s vital river resources flow from the Tibetan plateau down into major river systems.
    Take China’s assistance away from the Tibetan region and you limit a vital global entity from preserving their livelihood and the livelihood of the world’s future generations.

    China wants to save and preserve the Tibetan region for the benefit of the world as well.

    Who else will fund the Tibetan region? Who else has as many resources close at hand to fund the sustainable development of the surrounding region.

    Give Tibet back to the dalai and you leave it open for arms smugglers and drug runners through the Tibetan regions from the Golden triangle into Europe.
    Mr. Sarkozy, is that what you want?
    How about the Taliban overrunning the region. Would that be better?

    Progress is gradually being made but change takes time.

    Did anyone ever stop to think that the Taliban are active in the mountainous regions and China helps to maintain regional stability and control?

    What is more beneficial to China is for the world to show faith, offer a helping hand, extend friendship, speak trust and confidence in a changing China and reinforce confidence in a constantly reforming Chinese society.

    Which nations are truly just, that they should be the judge of the past and thereby predetermining another nations’ future?

    There is One who is worthy to judge all nations, and that One is neither man nor beast, but eternally demonstrative of justice and equity for all.

    Most of the west has no concept or ideas of the injustices perpetrated by the former so called peaceful rulers of Tibetan society.
    I am referring to the the former lineage of Dalai’s and their gross treatment, murdering, dismembering of bodies, flayed skins of bodies and gross inequitable distribution of the regions produce.

    The poor starved, whilst the leaders of Tibetan society wasted their days and their nights worshipping a false enitity. Their lifestyle was neither productive nor constructive in societal development.

    The current Chinese government distributes a quality of life which has vastly improved the independent lifestyles of Tibetan peoples.

    Only those blinded by their blind faith can’t see this.

    Whats more is that the Chinese goverment has preserved the Tibetan cultural hsitory for future generations as “world heritage” and Chinese heritage.

    The music and culture of Tibetan peoples can now be spread abroad for the masses to understand a formerly isolated and impoverished society.

    The train link built by the Chinese is not to destroy the Tibetan people’s culture, but to allow access for people to enjoy world cutural heritage and for Tibetans to access and enjoy world cultures as well.

    With understanding should come wisdom and acceptance and global friendships.

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    http://www.slate.com/id/2112962/

    Last fall Sarkozy generated huge media attention with the publication of his book La Republique, les religions, l’esperance (The Republic, Religions, Hope), in which he talked about his own Catholic faith and called for a greater role for religion in public life.

    Nicolas Sarkozy … has made a bid to bring religion and state a little closer together.

    64.3 percent of French citizens still identify with Catholicism

    (maybe thereby blindly supporting the dalai lama)

    Sarkozy will be the president of the EU from July 1st.

    He has also argued for amending France’s law separating church and state, which turns 100 this year. The 1905 law bars any state funding of religious groups and is the cornerstone of French secularism.

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    My cooment:

    We do not need another state/religion/capitalist regime either in France, Europe or in the Tibetan region.

    With freedom and independence comes freedom of choice.

    The Chinese goverment now recognises all faiths as being worthy of valuable input in advisory roles into the harmonious Chinese societal model.

    Yes in fact, recently even an American evangelical Christian evangelist was invited to Beijing and appeared on national CCTV preaching true Christian faith understanding and tolerance.

    That is highly commendable and demonstrative of a responsible government that is willing to integrate into the world community and value the opinions of the world at large.

    I agree with China that they should not bow to unfair world and govermnetal pressure over Tibet.
    They the monks were perhaps arrested for disrupting the peace of the region. They were not arrested for their beliefs.

    I witnessed the support of the goverment and police intervention to close down students’ protests against Carrefour to maintain peace and harmony yesterday in China.

    China should be proud of their patriotism as I am proud of being Australian, but if Australians demonstrate unjustly in Australia then so too should they be shutdown.

    The Tibetan monks demonstrated and disrupted regional peace and that has to be judged by the law of the land as it would be judged by any law of any land.

    As for the British invasion in China, it is not a shame to have been invaded but it is a shame to sit back and let it happen again.

    The British were not just in what they did and that was capitalist domination in demonstration.

    It left a legacy of impoverished society in regional China.

    By effective controls and laws of the land, China has repaired the breaches left from British invasion and international invasions and now they have a formative, modern, world influential society to be justly proud of.

    China welcomes the world to view her triumphs, her problems, her wonderful people, her beauty and mystique.
    As a guest and an integrator into Chinese society for several years, I welcome you too!

    This will be the most successful olympics ever, if only the world can forget all the problems and inperfections in all nations and embrace another opportunity for international friendship and cooperation.

    More grace to China and more power for change, may she have the wisdom to accept further change and the foresight to help the world change as well to a more peaceful and harmonious society.

    China does not fear the world, China welcomes the world to Beijing.

    _______________________________________________________________

    http://www.france24.com/en/20080419-talk-of-paris-Zbigniew-Brzezinski-Former-National-Security-Adviser&navi=DEBATS

    Ulysse Gosset:

    You were at the White House during the last boycott in Moscow for the Olympic Games in 1980. If China does not change anything, would you be in favour of a boycott of the Games in Beijing?

    Zbigniew Brzezinski:

    I think one has to understand what happened in 1980 before one answers that question. In 1980 there was a real, serious, direct threat to world peace. A country invaded another country with a large army. That was what precipitated the boycott.

    What has happened so far is not comparable to that.

    (speaking of China’s right to Tibetan territory)( In other words China has not invaded Tibet.)

    Ulysse Gosset:

    What would you do about Tibet? Should George Bush or Nicolas Sarkozy go to the Opening Ceremony of the Olympic Games in Beijing? What would you advise the President to do on that?

    Zbigniew Brzezinski:

    I would advise him not to make any decision yet. Because the issue is fluid and I think it is possible to avoid an outcome which would be terribly destructive for everybody concerned.

    Ulysse Gosset:

    Ok. We have a question from Professeur André Kaspi from the Sorbonne about France and Europe. Let us look at it together. So, we have the question here from Professeur André Kaspi….

    “The new French President, Nicolas Sarkozy seems to have a better relationship with the United States than his predecessors. How will you keep that relationship between the US and France? How will you keep up that relationship? Does France, as a country, still play an important role in America’s foreign affairs or do you merely consider France as being part of Europe?”

    Zbigniew Brzezinski:

    We certainly consider France to be an important country. At the same time, we are aware of the fact that France is an important European country! And we are also aware of the fact that France has influence on Berlin, on London and on other European capitals. And if that influence can be translated into a common European policy, France’s influence thereby increases.

    ________________________________________________________________

    My comment:

    We can see from this comment that indeed we need to consider French opinion.
    We also need French opinion to be righteously justifiable.

    China, I think you need world, French & European assistance and technology for your future sustainable development.

    Trust your goverment to provide the diplomatic relations to settle this issue and don’t worry about the world’s opinions too much.

    Show your face, show your beauty and show your pride in Beijing.

    Judgements come and judgements go but if you take everything to heart you allow the unrighteous judge to have their own way.

    Fear not, Beijing Olympics will be wonderful for China.

    Hold your head high, smile at your critics and applaud the world’s athletes.

    If they say wrong, they may be blind and misinformed and that my dear friends is the tragedy of miscommunication and biased media.

    We all see with limited vision and therefore with limited wisdom and understanding and that is where we must be tolerant to understand and respect anothers view of the world.

    I wish you happy days citizens of the world.

    Kaibo

55. April 21st, 2008 at 9:12 am
    go:
    55

    Good tired, is daily you hits me, I hits you, can select peacefully!!!

56. April 21st, 2008 at 15:44 pm
    Le:
    56

    @ Brad

    If it weren’t for the eight powers that robbed China’s beauty, not to mention you stole many antiques, and you display them in your museums, China would not be this defensive today! You Europeans conquered the world, North and South America, Australia, you tried to colonize Africa, China, Iraq on and on decades/centuries ago. Now you turned around, thinking you can erase you genocide natures by picking on other nation(s)?

    Crimes your great-granddaddies committed
    1) Genocide of native indians
    2) Genocide of Jews
    3) Genocide of many other races (in smaller scale)
    4) Genocide of Iraqis. . .

    Please look at your own history before you accuse others

57. April 21st, 2008 at 22:36 pm
    Wei:
    57

    -> I don’t think any country is ‘afraid’ of china

    After a wave of anti-French protests in China, President Nicolas Sarkozy of France is sending three top officials there this week in a diplomatic charm offensive.

    LOL…just LOL

58. April 21st, 2008 at 23:49 pm
    ur chinese friend:
    58

    Brad wrote: “Funny how a small country such as England could ‘invade’ China, England at that time 15-20 million population, while china at that time most likely had 700 miilion +… was china that pathetic?”

    Sheesh, this is a perfect example of Western ignorance and laziness. Most likely 700 Million+? How about typing “China population 1900″ in google Brad? The figure is 400M. The population for England was around 40M at the time.

    Now how do a country of 40M invade a country of 400M? Why, you export a drug called Opium to get people addicted so you can enslave them. Yes, the British government was the biggest drug dealer in the world. I bet your public school never taught you that either. But if people have this much time to spew their ignorance online, why can’t they use the search engine to do a little research on their own?

59. April 22nd, 2008 at 2:31 am
    kaibo:
    59

    Ignorance is a problem that blinds the whole world.
    That is where understanding, forgiveness and tolerance must be exercised on all fronts.

    The current efforts to discuss international human rights in a forum in Beijing may vindicate China of so many falsely accused crimes.

    The British and the Indian governments supported China in Tibet in the 1950’s. The USA did not. The USA supplied arms to the region to oppose Chinese occupation of the Tibetan region.

    During that time of course their were other fronts on which the UN forces were struggling for democratically free territory such as the Korean peninsular.

    The Chinese drove back the UN to the line between the Nth & Sth and patriotically withdrew to their own territory to discuss the matter diplomatically.

    That again demonstrates that China only wants to seek peace with all nations but don’t invade her or she will stand up and defend her countries children.

    On the Tibetan issue - all nations need to discuss with, not accuse China and get the former facts and the current facts which are being disclosed and discussed in the forum in Beijing.

    Some highly intelligent people are going to disclose the facts and deceptions of the Dalai Lama.

    Hopefully, the nations will know the truth and the truth will resolve the misunderstandings.

    Hopefully the ignorant will listen and understand but that my friends is an unknown quantity or outcome.

    I doubt that many will listen because of the stubborness and blindness of heart. If the masses are deceived and blinded by false light then it is all too easy to adopt as a treasure an equally false light ie. dalai lama.

    Peace is in understanding, that you have your choices and I am have mine and in between is an area of acceptance. We can agree to disagree without imposing our will on another.

    However, at times in history their have been and in the future there may be a need to defend our positions diplomatically or by intervention or defensive actions.

    The concession the world needs to make now is trust in China.
    That China has the sovereign dominion to continue to advance a modern prosperous society in Tibet, that the whole world can grow to enjoy and appreciate the regions unique character.

    The mountains of Tibet are the treasure of the earth’s children to be preserved by a global entity. the entity of China, under the watchful eye of the international community, so that future generations may behold the beauty of the region.

    The Tibetan peoples can continue to prosper and to be the caretakers there and China has provided the infrastructure whereby this may happen.

    Don’t forget my Chinese friends, that the western world has also been bombarded with patriotic rhetoric, thereby preventing the masses from understanding the true nature of their nations and allies actions and the true nature of the Chinese defensive withdrawl from trust in the western world.

    Understand this and forgive this.

    All nations are guilty to some extent of keeping the masses misinformed.

    The past is behind us; the future lies before us; what lies between us is lack of understanding and blindness of heart.

    Peace to all nations for the Beijing Olympics

    Kaibo from Australia.

60. April 22nd, 2008 at 9:14 am
    chengs:
    60

    I’m suprised to see that there are so many rubbish Chinese claiming that boycotting Carrefour is irrational. So beating your disabled atheletes, tearing your flags and saying that all Chinese are gons and thongs on CNN are rational? These near-sighted guy only pay attention to their own short-term benefits, and what makes them more shameful is that they even don’t think they are wrong! Tens of years ago when Japanese pigs invaded China the government says the “the only way for students to love their country to study hard”. How rational they are! Why don’t they ask the Japanese rubbish to go back home and study hard?

61. April 22nd, 2008 at 12:29 pm
    subjectivelistener:
    61

    According to the democratic values, it is your right to state your opinions, as long as you dont offend others and remains non-violent.

    Personally I will not boycott Carrefour, but I dont mind seeing others doing it if they wish to do themselves.

    This round, Carrefour should say thanks to Chinese government because they tried to cool everyone down instead of stirring up, as French government did during the torch relay.

    I have to say that in this aspect, I like dictatorship Chinese government better than democratic French government.

    How ironic it is.

62. April 22nd, 2008 at 12:48 pm
    Jankovich:
    62

    I think boycotting anything french by chinese is a great idea.

    Seems like the french people has done such a marvelous job in selling their regular everyday products from shampoo to clothes to bags for immoral profits.

    Have taken the hint from recent jewelry show in switzerland, all the dealers has said that they are making most monies in emerging countries such as china and russia while making money in USA has grown EXTREMELY difficult.

    Thus drawing a conclusion, anti france sentiment in China should be a major MAJOR cause of concern for france leaders.

    Well done!

63. April 22nd, 2008 at 12:56 pm
    Jankovich:
    63

    I think boycotting anything french is a great idea.

    France has had many billionaires in their countries gaining riches from selling regular products from soap ,shampoo and bags for IMMORAL profits.

    Their public relation people should get a medal for brain washing.

    Gaining knowledge from last jewelry show in switzerland french dealers has spoken again and again that their main income producing countries are the emerging market, china and russia, while looking for business in america is getting EXTREMELY difficult.

    Thus I say anti france sentiment in China should really be a cause of worries for the france leaders.

    (China has contract deal to buy france air bus worth 4 billion usd)

64. April 22nd, 2008 at 14:13 pm
    Wei:
    64

    I don’t like boycotts…I believe trade is the way to peace…

    I read this in the news and just have to laugh at this:

    Niquet said she expected Levitte to express “France’s incomprehension” that a “very violently anti-French” protest movement would be allowed to swell in China.

    What does the French want? Freedom of expression but anti-french protest not “allowed to swell”?

65. April 23rd, 2008 at 6:51 am
    XiaoSu:
    65

    I cannot but express my worry abt the naivety of views expressed here.
    I suppose hardly any one here has been to the far Western parts of China or is close friends to one member of those “minorities”, be it Uighur or Tibetan. Ppl here ignore how they themslves treat those “minorities” as marginal, “waizhong” and makes them strangers in their country. That does not justify the acts 3 14 but is the root problem. Real autonomy, right to think,decide, care and speak for oneself and respect would have prevented the violence. Before Han may claim any do respect for “China” they make ask themselves whether they respect other people.

66. April 23rd, 2008 at 9:20 am
    XiaoSu:
    66

    CORRECTED AND ENLARGED POST - IGNORE THE POST JUST ABOVE:
    I cannot but express my worries abt the naivety of views expressed here.
    I suppose hardly any one here has been to the far Western parts of China or is close friends to one member of those “minorities”, be it Uighur or Tibetan. Ppl here ignore how they themslves regard