China: Rules of Olympic engagement
On Hong Kong Democratic Party founder and Legco member Martin Lee being labeled a race traitor and running dog after his WaPo article, which proposed engagement with Beijing in lieu of Olympic boycott, was widely interpreted by some as a call for American intervention in China's human rights situation just days after he met with president George Bush's National Security Advisor and “cold warrior” John Negroponte, readers of NetEase Olympic Report‘s series of reports documenting furor and backlash aimed at Lee over the weekend made the following comments:
On Tsang Hin-chi‘s criticism of Lee for lacking ‘the bravery of Chinese blood’:
网易青海西宁网友 ip：220.167.*.*：
2007-10-28 19:07:13 发表
作为一个香港人，到其它国家要求外国来干预我们中国事务,这是不对的
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As a Hong Konger, to go to another country and demand it intervene in our China's affairs, is wrong.
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网易四川阿坝州网友 ip：221.10.*.*：
2007-10-28 21:21:31 发表
谁都有发表相左言论的自由,但是,作为一个国民,发表言论的基础在于维护自己祖国的国家利益,当有危害国家利益的时候,大家应该三思而后行的吧?何况企图利用别的国家和政府来干涉自己祖国的利益,这样做是否已经没有了作为一个国家国民的资格?建议取消此人的中国国籍,驱逐出中国,作为中国的国家敌人对待,永远不得踏上中国的领土半步,
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Everyone has freedom to express opposition, but, as a Chinese, speech and expression are based on upholding our motherland's national interests. When national interest is in jeopardy, everyone ought to think before they act, no? Let alone attempting to use other countries and governments to meddle with one's own motherland's national interests, does someone like that still qualify as a national citizen? I suggest this person's citizenship be revoked, that he be exiled from China, and be treated as an enemy of the Chinese state, never to set foot on Chinese soil again.
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网易广东广州网友 [524180678200]：
2007-10-28 22:52:27 发表
你他妈的汉奸走狗,你怎么不去死呢,叫美国鬼子来搞自己国家
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You […] race traitor running dog, why don't you go die, asking the American devils to come screw with your own country
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网易山东青岛网友 ip：218.56.*.*：
2007-10-28 20:02:37 发表
自己的民族大事自己解决
你们看过martin lee的全文了吗??
如果按照你这样的说法,当年 毛主席 为什么 求助苏联????
Have you even seen Martin Lee's full article?
Going with what you're saying, why would Chairman Mao have sought help from the USSR back in the day????
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网易广东深圳网友 ip：218.18.*.*：
2007-10-29 00:21:01 发表
派特工把李柱铭“干掉”。
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Send some agents to go “take Lee out”.
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On the Democratic Party statement in support of the Beijing Olympics and opposition to those who would boycott it:
网易广东深圳网友 ip：61.145.*.*：
2007-10-28 18:28:28 发表
支持人权有错么?
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Is there anything wrong with supporting human rights?
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网易四川攀枝花网友 ip：218.89.*.*：
2007-10-28 19:43:03 发表
要想过上好日子，只有不择手段混过官当，否则，就不要过像人的日子。
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网易福建莆田网友 ip：220.161.*.*：
2007-10-28 19:10:58 发表
网易广东深圳网友(61.145.*.*) 的原贴：
支持人权有错么?
支持人权没有错 我们在人权方面确实存在很多不足 但这些不足得靠我们自己来解决…
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“Is there anything wrong with supporting human rights?”
No, nothing wrong with supporting human rights. We definitely lack in many areas on human rights, but in the areas we lack, we'll have to resolve those ourselves…
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网易黑龙江大庆网友 ip：221.209.*.*：
2007-10-28 19:52:31 发表
网易广东深圳网友(61.145.*.*) 的原贴：
支持人权有错么?
支持人权没错 但是放弃主权就不队
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“Is there anything wrong with supporting human rights?”
There's nothing wrong with supporting human rights, but relinquishing sovereignty is wrong
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网易海南网友 ip：59.50.*.*：
2007-10-28 18:51:14 发表
网易广东深圳网友(61.145.*.*) 的原贴：
支持人权有错么?
一派胡言!人权和奥运有关系吗?支持人权没错,但中国的人权和外国没有关系!我们的事情我们会解决,不要什么事都和外国扯上关系!
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“Is there anything wrong with supporting human rights?”
What bull! Is there any connection between the Olympics and human rights? There's nothing wrong with supporting human rights, but there is no connection between Chinese human rights and foreign countries! We'll take care of our own affairs; you know not every little thing has to be done in hand with foreigners!
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网易上海网友 ip：220.234.*.*：
2007-10-28 20:08:22 发表
你看美国有没有人权啊,枪炮第一.金钱第一打塞黑.打伊拉克.死了多少人.全是谎话理由.
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Just look, does America have human rights? Firearms, #1. Cash money, #1. Attacked Serbia. Attacked Iraq. How many people have died? All for lies.
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网易山东济南网友 ip：124.128.*.*：
2007-10-28 22:37:13 发表
支持李先生！！支持李先生！！支持李先生！！支持李先生！！支持李先生！！又到选举期，可是我们选区的候选人我一个人也不认识．我也不知道我去哪里投票．我活了三十年了，可是从来没有人要求我去投票！！
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Support Mr. Lee!! Support Mr. Lee!! Support Mr. Lee!! Support Mr. Lee!! Support Mr. Lee!! It's election time again, but I don't know a single one of our district candidates. I don't even know where to go to vote. I've lived to thirty already, and yet no-one has ever told me to go cast a vote!!
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On ‘Martin Lee: I would be a race traitor forever’:
网易贵州铜仁网友 ip：222.87.*.*：
2007-10-28 18:21:39 发表
做法不对，不过可能我们是要反思下自己的 REN QUAN 状况了
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网易安徽淮北网友 ip：58.242.*.*：
2007-10-28 18:19:01 发表
港英时期怎不见你跳出来为港人争人权?!
垃圾!
标准的汉奸!!1
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Why didn't we see you jumping up for HKers’ human rights back when Hong Kong was still British?!
Rubbish!
A standard race traitor!!!
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网易贵州贵阳网友 ip：221.13.*.*：
2007-10-28 19:26:44 发表
我宁愿要人权，也不要奥运会！
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I'd prefer to have human rights, and I don't want the Olympics!
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网易四川甘孜州网友 ip：222.214.*.*：
2007-10-28 18:29:09 发表
跟我年轻的时候差不多，看来此人还不成熟，在祖国和谐的社会里他混不下去的。
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Just like when I was young, it's like the bunch of these people haven't matured yet; he would last here in the harmonious society of the motherland.
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网易福建网友 ip：121.204.*.*：
2007-10-28 19:07:41 发表
这样的人是值得尊敬的。
同胞们应该看到他是为了国家的利益，并不是真的汉奸。
美国的适当干预是有利于大陆普通百姓的。
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People like him are worth praising.
Our countrymen should be able to see that he is for national interest, that he's not a real race traitor.
American intervention would be appropriate, and beneficial to the average mainlander.
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网易福建龙岩网友 ip：218.86.*.*：
2007-10-28 20:28:28 发表
可以有不同的声音,不可以有不同的信念。美国的干预确实促进了中国的人权发展，但是、美国的干预是希望控制中国、搞乱中国、遏制中国、一切反动派亡我之心不死！！！李柱铭的借洋人力量促进中国人权发展是本末倒置！是对中国人权事业不了解！他的做法实质上是汉奸行为。。。。。。
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We can have different voices, but what we cannot have are different convictions. American intervention would promote the development of human rights in China, but, America's intervention would be in hopes of controlling China, throwing China into chaos, and containing China. I won't rest until all reactionaries are dead!!! Martin Lee's thinking to use foreign forces to promote the development of human rights in China is backwards from the get-go! It lacks understanding of the cause of Chinese human rights! His approach essentially that of a race traitor……
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网易广东深圳网友 ip：58.61.*.*：
2007-10-28 20:30:18 发表
这是我们中国人的耻辱，我们的祖国有什么不好啊？人民对不住你了吗？？？汉奸．汉奸．香港回归１０周年了经济不繁荣嘛？生活不好吗？怎么就要挑奥运会来施压中国啊？你也是陈水扁的儿子吗？？？？
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This is a disgrace for us Chinese; is our motherland really that bad? Are the people not good enough for you? Traitor. Traitor. Ten years since the Hong Kong handover, and isn't the economy booming? Is life so bad? Why would you use the Olympics to pressure China?! Are you Chen Shui-bian's son too?
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网易山东烟台网友 ip：218.59.*.*：
2007-10-28 20:22:54 发表
他续称：“现时有人故意把这篇文章弄得如此负面，故意把我升级做汉奸，目的就是想影响选举。”并指港人享有人权，也需要为内地争取人权，如果因此被称为汉奸，他“宁可永远做汉奸”。
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He claims: “there are currently people purposefully seeking to smear this article, to purposefully promote me to a race traitor, and their goal is to influence the election.” He also points out that Hong Kongers have human rights, and need to fight for mainlanders to enjoy the same. If doing such results in one being called a race traitor, then he “would rather be one forever”.
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网易欧洲网友 ip：116.21.*.*：
2007-10-28 18:34:13 发表
丢你祖先的人,亏你是中国人。
中国的败类，姓李的败类。
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[…] your ancestors, you're a scourge on the Chinese people.
The scum of Chinese people, a degenerate named Lee.
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网易广东佛山网友 ip：125.95.*.*：
2007-10-28 18:29:38 发表
遗臭万年的狗汉奸！
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Curse you for eternity you traitor dog!
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网易广东广州网友 ip：219.137.*.*：
2007-10-28 18:31:37 发表
将他的全文贴出来,我们不要断章取义。
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Post the full text of his article. We don't want to be quoting someone out of context.
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网易安徽马鞍山网友 ip：60.167.*.*：
2007-10-28 19:36:49 发表
说几句就是卖国.
他卖了吗?
他也是为中国好.
我也希望美国施压,管管中国贪官.
那么我也是卖国了吗?
一群被利用的人.
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He said a few words, and now he's betrayed the country.
Did he really though?
He also wants to see a better China.
I also hope America pressures China, do something about those corrupt officials.
So am I a traitor now too?
You bunch of people are just being used.
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网易江苏无锡网友 ip：222.191.*.*：
2007-10-28 18:32:11 发表
李柱铭既然宁可做汉奸，那我就不骂你是汉奸了，但是我可以骂你是洋奴！看你年岁也不小了，肯定经历过香港的曾是殖民地时期。可是当时我们没有看到你跟香港总督争什么民主和人权的报道，怎么回归后反倒与中央政府叫板起来了？而且还想要求美国借奥运向中国施压。我看你象历史上一个人－－吴三桂，但是他也没有好下场。
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网易广东广州网友 ip：121.33.*.*：
2007-10-28 18:28:39 发表
林子打了什么鸟都有！说明我们中国还是不强大！同志们仍须努力！增强国防建设、促进经济建设、加强科学发展！同胞们一起加油！
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网易广东深圳网友 [chengjuehua]：
2007-10-28 19:28:56 发表
再不改革可就要步苏联的后尘了，历史的车轮不是人力阻挡得了的
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If there isn't another reform, we're just going to end up walking in the USSR's footsteps. No amount of human strength can stop the wheels of history from turning.
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网易广东深圳网友 ip：121.36.*.*：
2007-10-28 19:26:03 发表
有不同的声音是正常的，但是要借外国势力那就是真正的汉奸了。我国的人权的确是需要改进，但我们都看到了，在这几年来的确是改变了很多，我相信胡主席的智慧，在这几年的发展中，他没让我们失望，我相信，下来应该也不会。
香港的爱国人士应该组织一个运动，把李柱铭这个真正的汉奸赶下台！
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Hong Kong's patriots should organize an activity, and bring Martin Lee this true traitor down out of power!
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Can you name one US politician that called for politicizing the Los Angeles Olympics in the 1980’s, in light of the fact we trained Osma Bin Ladin and bank rolled his terrorist organization?
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What Martin Lee had done is causing more harm than good to the world as a whole up till present and ruining the Olympic spirit which in great extend is still treasured by most mainlander Chinese. Mainland Chinese are still thinking Olympic game is a good chance to bring understanding and mutual respects between countries and races. Martin Lee’s brainless deed had caused shame on Hong Kongers to have such lawmaker!!
OK, it loses somthing in the translation, I’m sure, but I think this is why many people laugh at people in China.
Has anyone said yet that Martin Lee has “hurt the feelings of all the Chinese people”?
They probably will.
Every country has its problems, and the US can certainly be pointed to as having many faults, but China stands out with the petty stupidity of the people and the system.
I think it all falls back to the fact that you can’t talk about things.
If there is a riot over land rights in some province, it’s not reported or debated as to who was right and who was wrong.
How many people did nor did not die in 1989? No, you can’t even ask the question.
Is Hu Jintao a good leader? No discussion on that is allowed.
What is the criteria for blocking websites? Don’t ask.
Some of the comments translated here are laughable
Patriotism? I thought that meant a love of and loyalty to one’s country.
That does not mean I have to agree with the communist party and it’s leaders.
Some examples of the laughable comments above
race traitor running dog
Send some agents to go “take Lee out
relinquishing sovereignty is wrong
A standard race traitor
harmonious society of the motherland.
His approach essentially that of a race traitor
disgrace for us Chinese;
scourge on the Chinese people
Hong Kong’s patriots
What a load of rubbish.
China has 1.2 billion people. How many are uneducated and being used as the cheap labour that is behind the country’s current success?
Maybe someone should praise the Chinese space missions.
But they are 40 years late and have the advantage of modern technology.
And they were using Russian spacecraft anyway.
Martin Lee, based on what I read about him was a British collaborator. He was treated very well by the British administration of Hong Kong.
Today, he is considered a pro-democracy politician by the Western press despite not being a communist. But where was his “pro-democracy” stance when the British were in power?
If he went to the US while the British were still colonizing Hong Kong and urge the US to intervene in the British colonization of Hong Kong – to press the British to release Hong Kong – to nullify the surrender agreements of the opium war etc. etc., then I would have no issue with him making today’s statement. I would consider him a Chinese patriot.
But fact is, he was passive about releasing Britain’s strangle hold of Hong Kong, but after Hong Kong was returned back to China he suddenly showed so much concern for democracy and human rights . I therefore question the legitimacy of his struggle.
A person who stands for democracy or human rights ought to have been struggling for them while the British were in power and while it is under China. He shouldn’t be selective about who is his “Master” before launching his struggle.