Kosovo's parliament passed the declaration of Kosovo's independence on Feb. 17. This decision came as a consequence of unsuccessful direct negotiations between Serbia and Kosovo, which lasted for the past few years.
During Milosevic's regime, Albanian ethnic group was clearly expressing the desire to separate from Serbia. Albanians who live in Kosovo felt that basic human rights were endangered there because that NATO forces were bombing Serbia over 70 days in 1999.
Adopting the declaration immediately provoked many Serbs to organize mass protests in Belgrade and several other Serbian cities.
Dejan Stankovic, Serbian blogger, on his B92 blog (SRP) expressed his feeling regarding the vandalism in Belgrade on Feb 17:
Prime Minister Vojislav Kostunica charged the U.S. President and his European followers for creating the false country Kosovo.
Serbia shall never recognize the independence of Kosovo.
Bombs are laid in the foundation of the false country, Prime Minister marked.
And the culmination: “A McDonald's restaurant in Terazije (Belgrade's street) was demolished.”
As wife divorces her husband, he decides to lose the dignity and humiliates himself.
I was ashamed of the smashing.
Dejan Jovic, a fellow B92 blogger, considers that Kosovo will never be independent and this situation is not a permanent solution. He wrote on Feb 17:
[…] If it happens, however, that some countries recognize Kosovo independence, I fear it will just lead to new problems, not to a permanent solution. Why am I so pessimistic?
Firstly, it is obvious that Serbia will not recognize Kosovo's independence. Serbia will treat Kosovo as its own territory. There is a broad political consensus about it among almost all parties. […]
[…] This situation will produce new political conflict with countries that have recognized the independence of Kosovo. […]
[…] Secondly, Kosovo issue is now a big problem even for Europe that agreed (did it agree?) to be a guarantor of public order and peace on that territory. At the same time, some countries, members of the EU, will not recognize Kosovo's independence and the question is who and how will make decisions about this mission in the name of Europe. […]
[…] Thirdly, if Republika Srpska tries to do what Kosovo has done (and decides to block to the state institutions), this will create a new crisis in Bosnia and Herzegovina. If Russia, in that case, supports Republika Srpska, there'll be a new political conflict between Russia and the U.S. The Kosovo issue will be supplemented with the new Bosnia issue. That would mean no stability of Bosnia and canceling of all that was done so far. […]
On his B92 blog (SRP), Marko Jevtic invited Serbia's public to boycott Slovenia's shopping centers in Serbia. He wrote on Feb 18:
An e-mail, which was created by an intelligent person, has been circulating around the internet this days:
Slovenia hasn't yet decided officially about recognizing Kosovo's independence. Slovenia's government clearly wants to do that but Slovenia's business people are not happy because of their big investments in Serbia and a possible reaction of the Serbian public. Help business people to persuade Slovenia's government that it is not valuable to disturb the relationships with Serbia and make the investment risks for the sake of unnecessary recognizing of independence of Kosovo. We shall do the best if we demonstrate a decisiveness and begin a boycott of Slovenian merchandise and companies such as Mercator and Merkur. That would be a support for Slovenia's business people to resist their government. To accomplish this, don't go to any of Slovenia's shopping malls on Feb. 19 and 20. The goal of the boycott is to change the anti-Serbian politics of Slovenia's government, not to disturb the relationships between the two countries. And Slovenia's business people are strong enough to change the politics of their government, if they are motivated. So: motivate them!
And, of course, send this email to everyone you know. […]
Dejan Ristac, a B92 blogger, on Feb. 17, wrote ironically about Serbia's refusal to accept this situation:
[…] [Tennis player Novak], forget others Grand Slams, don't play tennis at the heart of the ecil until they stop dancing over Kosovo. […]
A few days ago, Maruska commented at one of the blogs and recommended:
[…] I have added a petition against Kosovo's independence to this web site:
Yet another British instigated and American implemented treacherous act directed at uprooting Christian civilizations in general and Orthodox Christian civilizations in specific, wherever they may exist.
The above mentioned two hypocrisies (as opposed to democracies) along with their cronies will ally themselves with the devils of the world and will fabricated facts just to discredit the Orthodox Christian civilizations and their history, traditions and accomplishments.
If history is serves to be any lesson, first it was Constantinople, then Jerusalem and now it is Kosovo and soon, very soon it will be Athens and Moscow.
As to their cronies, such as the EU, they better brace for the day when remnants of the Ottoman Empire will be springing up in there territories. It should be noted that they had knocked the doors of their cities previously, but rest assured there will be no knocking doors this time around, if history is to serve a lesson.
In reality, Kosovo, an undisputed Serbian territory, was not kidnapped a few days ago by the thugs administering it by declaring independence unilaterally. Kosovo was practically handed over to the criminal band known as the KLA under NATO bombardment when a Russia, with all of its drummed up military might, under a drunken Boris Yeltsin sent a SINGLE spy ship to patrol the international waters off Yugoslavia during NATO’s criminal and destructive campaign in the ‘90’s.
I would think that a Typhoon class submarine anchored off-shore would have given Mr. Clinton and Gen. Clark more to think about before embarking on their adventure.
Hopefully, this serves as a lesson for the future leaders of the world Christian Orthodoxy that there are consequences to their complacency and history will judge them on the merits of them defending and protecting what was preserved and handed to them by the sacrifices and the bravery of their predecessors and past generations.
Vrej:
This is one Serb in the Diaspora (US citizen, resident in Canada) who totally agrees. Bush is an amoral hypocrite, but what are the alternatives? The first person I ever heard call for an ‘independent Kosovo’ was Hilary Clinton and the war criminal Clark is being discussed as a vice-presidential candidate for B. Hussein Obama!
All that countries which are advocates Kosovo are americans poltroon … nothing more, nothing less ….
I am American but I want to visit Belgrade. I often do not agree with my government’s policy. It has long been my dream to visit Serbia. Is it safe for me?
Kako bi se svaki pojedinac osecao da mu oduzmu nesto sto pripada njegovom pradedi,dedi,ocu…njemu????
Nikolai: Is it safe… Well.. Just like there are areas in the deep south of the US that aren’t African American friendly, you can bet that there are parts of Serbia that are not American friendly. However… in my experience… if you stay out of bars or just any situation where peoples’ civility might be compromised… like say a protest or a rally, I think you’ll be fine.
PS: it never hurts to don a Canadian flag or two :P.
Dear Nikolai,
I understand your question and worry because current situation is more tense than usual in Serbia. But, Serbs are hospitable and very friendly. I know many people who was afraid to come to Serbia but they visited my country and they come back here very often.
However, generations of Serbs grew up and educated that Kosovo is saint land. It is true, Serbia became as country in Kosovo and there are so many Serbian orthodox monasteries. Because that, it is understandable why some people react very very emotively this days.
If you really have a dream to visit Serbia, I will invite you to be my guest.
Kosovo is NOT Serbia.
Serbia’s claim on Kosovo as its 14th century culture heritage, is as valid as Albania’s claim on the West Balkans as its cultural heritage from the 2nd century A.D. Illyrian empire. Serbia deserved the NATO bombing and should be held liable for the thousands of lifes lost in Croatian, Bosnian & Kosovo war. Even Montenegro (Serbs brothers) wanted independence from Serbia. No surprise at all on Kosovo’s independence declaration. Serbia is a country that worships war criminals. The next independence will probably be from Vojvodina, but I hope Serbia will join EU by that time so it won’t matter as much.
Good luck to Serbia and its peaceful neighbor Kosovo!
Benny,
The only good things about this mess is that it guarantees that Serbia will never join the EU and that it might lead to the breakup of that monstrosity since some of the members, such as Spain, respect international law unlike the amoral minions og George Bush.
In respect of all the people demonstrating in London today and Serbs demonstrating in other countries. If you feel so strongly about the issue and your country, why are you not living there?
I do not get it.
If Kosovo is the cradle of Serbia, what are they doing?
Demonstrations, rising fists, emotional outburst. Is this all? Then you deserve to lose it.
I just picture Israelis if somebody wants kick-them-out from Jerusalem.
Where is the Serbian army?
When something occurs in the world which certain people dont agree with it is their right to protest and show their opinion. It is a strategy many countries implement in order to avoid uprising and allow their citizens to express their view by hopefully peaceful protests. Are u suggesting that people should go to war as oppose to protest? For someone of ur origin that is suprising. Perhaps serbs dont like war as much as the world seems to think, however i agree with u. The only way for the world to realise Serbia’s powers and stop spreading propaganda which noone is falling for anymore…is to go to war and defend Kosovo which i know every serb will do. Lets wait and see the failure of what countries that support Kosovo independence believe is the only way to keep peace in the Balkans..I dont want to see war, but if thats the only way to remind the world KOSOVO HISTORY ISNT MYTHICAL, PERHAPS IT MIGHT BE WELL WORTH LOSING LIVES FOR
KOSOVO IS SERBIA!!! It always has been. It the holy land to our faith and it always will be. Always. The fact that the US has recognized Kosovo as an independant state is not only illegal but will turn to bite US in the ass. Serbia may be a small country but we are everywhere and sooner or later we will make our presence known. the United States goes around breaking up countries while they try to keep themselves together.. What would happen if California wanted to be its own country. How would that be handled. Take that kaos and multiply it in tenfold and you will understand where this Kosovo situation will lead..
Also in case u didnt know, last time Serbia had their army in Kosovo, America decided to bomb Serbia, that is bridges with innocent people on them, child centres where a 3 year old kid was killed while peeing. The most painful thing about that is to think what the world is coming to..and now the righteous country of America, that is its righteous government who fights terrorism decides to suport independence of a country led by a former KLA leader…is the world blind to this fact? is te world also forgetting resolution 1244??? are we purposely ignoring the law and setting precedents which lead to disaster?ISNT ANYONE WONDERING WHY AMERICA WANTS TO SUPPORT INDEPENDENCE OF SOME LITTLE REGION SO MUCH, RATHER THAN BEING INVOLVED IN OTHER WORLD ISSUES??
The reason Serbs are a minority of 5 % in Kosovo is because:
-During the bombing champaign in 99, many Serbs and Albanians alike fled Kosovo for fear of getting killed by NATOs incompetence. NATO bombed a Chinese embassy causing the deaths of 5 Chinese citizens and said it was an accident, when there were no Serbian military or government buildings anywhere nearby.
-After Serbian forces left Kosovo, many Serbs living in Kosovo left because of retaliatory attacks by the KLA. A total of 300,000 Serbs, Jews, and Roma fled Kosovo between 1999-2008. The riots of 2004, where 34 Orthodox monastarys were destroyed by Albanian protesters also convinced many Serbs to leave.
-Serbs in southern kosovo were ethnicly cleansed into Serbia, by harrasment, violence, some were forced out of they’re homes by they’re Albanian neighbours
- Most jewish serbs left for Israel because all available jobs in Kosovo were given to Albanians.
That explains why Serbs are a minority in Kosovo.
Nikolai, you are perfectly safe in Serbia. They understand Americas government is the problem, not its citizens. If i may quote a BBC interview with one of the rioters of Belgrade embassy: “we have nothing against the American people, its US government we blame”
Kosovo independence was a mistake for Kosovo Albanians themselves. If they accepted wide autonomy they would have all the benefits of independence. Theyr own school system, own governing body, own control of police forces, etc. They could “piggyback” with Serbia into the EU. If they accepted wide autonomy they couldv joined the EU with Serbia by 2010. Now with a 1.5 billion $ debt, and unemployment at 50% it will be a very long time before Kosovo is eligable for the EU. German diplomats have been quoted as saying 2020 is the projected date of Kosovo being considered for the EU. Not only that but because, Greece, Cyprus, Spain, Slovakia, Romania, (all EU members), do not recognise Kosovos independence, there is no chance for Kosovo to join the EU, because EU integration relies on a concensus. This means that it only takes 1 out of 27 countries to prevent Kosovo from joining the EU. Also Kosovo will not be able to join the United Nations because 2 out of 5 UN security council members (China, Russia) do not recognise Kosovo. Kosovo will not be able to attract major foreign investment due to the worldwide split on its independence. Russia, which controls 30% of Europes gas supplies, strictly opposes Kosovos independence, so what does Kosovo have to look forward to not that it is independent?
- 0 major foreign investment in the next few years
- extremely high price of Gas and electricity
- high food prices
- a debt of 1.5 billion dollars to foreign countries
- It will not be able to establish diplomatic ties with
Russia, Serbia, Slovakia, Romania, Cyprus, Greece, Spain, China, Brazil, Vietnam, Indonesia, South Africa, India, Egypt, Georgia, Argentina(about 3 billion people total)because all of thses countries have said they do not recognize Kosovo, and many more coutnries are still contemplating they’re decisions. Not only will they not be able to establish diplomatic ties, but no companies from these countries will invest in Kosovo.
but…… at least they got a brand new shiny flag.
Alex V–
‘(B)ut…… at least they got a brand new shiny flag.’ Which they don’t use because they are not interested in ‘independence’, they want to be part of ‘Greater Albania’ which, if the maps which are being published are any indication, includes yet more of Serbia, parts of Greece and parts of Macedonia! The only picture I’ve ever seen of their new flag was it being held by their ‘president’ and ‘prime minister’, the only flag I’ve seen in the demos is the Albanian national flag.
jovan so if u say that if we agred to autonomy that serbija offerd (wich they took that away from us ones)we would have a better life in kosovo today. well u r wrong. it is funny to me when the serbs that call kosovometohija their heart and soul they all left for bellgrade beucause the goverment never cared for kosovo in the first place. there s a old sayind in serbijen (trepca radi beograd se gradi) mayby this should be lesson for serbs if u really cared for kosovo the place wich is a cradle of serbs next really take care of land and people nomater what nationelity. also an advise start praying for another tito cause he was a tru yugoslave.
Hypocrits! It is true, much of America has contributed to freedom in the world, but those in America who consider Eastern Europe to be corrupt are from papal clique that gave America Tammany Hall. Roger Taney who wrote Dred Scott was Catholic. The hygiene crisis in America with food poisoning is from Catholics. The work ethic in America is dead because of Catholics. Catholic casuistry drive litigation explosion. They are turning America into Mafia Fascist Molestor Banana Republic. Their customers are turning to India to find reliable workers.
My country Georgia is not going to recognize Kosovo’s independence.
I see a lot historical claims being thrown in support of Serbia but how can one explain the fact that Serb historians at least in the past were mono-lingual. Which means that they only interpreted claims from material written in the Serbian language, while not looking at the Albanian, Austrian, British, Turkish, Italian historical material. It is such a huge ignorance to rely on one point of view for interpretation of historical events. Serbian history about Kosovo is just a brainwash done from nationalist Serbian historians which did not speak any other language besides Serbian. History is a science, you investigate it for facts, unbiased-ness and you can’t rely on just one source of information. Serbian nationalist historians who wrote the Serbian history books did rely on sources only in the Serbian language.
God bless America for stopping the centuries old genocide in Kosovo. The reason why Serbs are a minority is because their ethnic cleansing techniques were not working well, and also few Serbs wanted to live in a place like Kosovo, were you are (before 1999) discriminated, left alone and forgotten by your own government in Belgrade. Kosovo now has a huge oppurtunity to achieve a great future but first it has to surpass the Belgrade & Russian sponsored sabotage from its Serbian minority. As far as the countries that don’t recognize Kosovo’s independence, that list is shrinking. This made me laugh: “My country Georgia is not going to recognize Kosovo’s independence.” :), ohhhhh, i guess I won’t be able to fall asleep tonight…
KOSOVO’S FUTURE IS EUROPE NOT RUSSIA, NOT SERBIA. IF SERBS WANT TO GO BACK TO SIBERIA OR BECOME PART OF RUSSIA, THEY CAN DO SO BUT WITHOUT KOSOVA. Let us all hope that Serbia will not be Russia’s pet for any longer.
besi i totally agry with u GOD BLESS AMERICA for helping people that sufferd from serbian hand. And one thing that still gets me angry is that goverment of serbija is still trying to get its people to still fight a wars that they lost YES I SAID LOST slovenia, bosnia, croats,macedonia, and kosova and the world calls it last part of yogo nation i thing that will not be the case from what we see in serbija today with their leaders (KOSTUMICA) god knows what will happend in SANGJAK or VOJVODINA so wake up serbijans dont look to russia look west and learn from 4 or 5 wars u had and lost them all because russions will turn their backs on you. And u will be the most hated poeple on the world today wich last i check u were high on the list. GOD BLESS KOSOVA AND I WISH THEME THE BEST LUCK ON COMING YEARS AS THE NEWES EURO CONTRY AND WORLD.
I cannot believe the Serbs are falling for the Russian con. The Russians are not opposing the independence of Kosovo in support for Serbia but rather for their own interests. They have already demonstrated that through the acquisition of the state owned gas and oil company NIS. Russia is and will be looking to use rather than help Serbia as a distribution platform for its gas and oil export to Europe and beyond. Wake up Serbs before its too late! One may consider the Ukrainians as Russia’s closest relatives but Russia has cut the gas supplies to them twice already leaving them to freeze in the middle of winter. Once Serbia is no use to them anymore the Russians wont give a sh**t about it and its people. Serbia’s place is in EU and so is that of Kosovo and the whole region.
More than four IIIyrian Entities compose Albania.
LABEATS, TAULANTS, ALBANS, ENKELEIS, DARASETS and KAONS.
All of them speaks Illyrian language but with different dialects. Three first has a very distinct Illyrian dialect named GEGE and the rest has another Illyrian dialect named TOSKE.
On 1912 they united in one single state and agreed to be named Eagle’s Land. SHQIPERIA.
The foreign “SKOLARS” named Albania based on the name of only one of the Entities.
This was not only Ignorance but also a big mistake of these “very educated Scholars“.
The situation then was so critical for SHQIPETARET, so they accepted any injustice and compromise. This was the big price they pay to gain the independence. Of course many other Illyrian entities was ignored. This has been done in purpose to use Illyrian territories as a trade merchandise to please slavics, which in return were used in two wars. The Slavics paid their price. They lost 56 million people 1908 – 1946. Illyrian paid bigger price. They were spread over 5 different states.
It’s about time to recognize the historical right of Kosova (Dardania) to have its destiny fulfilled-That is full independence. Kosova never was a Serbian province. It was there, since the times of birth of European civilization, a very distinct Dardanian/llyrian identity. Always populated by Dardanias who, although under constant pressure of forcefully migration by Serbian shovinism, Tito’s Yugoslavia & Milloshevic’s Serbia, still make up 92% of the population. They speak ilirian language with the dialect GEGE. Serbs always have been a minority there. We know that Serbs appeared in Balkans (then llyria) only by the 6th Century AD, and they speak a language more similar to Ukrainian then Russian. They have always been a minority and ‘the story’ of Kosova being the Heartland of Serbia is just a pure Serbian nationalist fantasy. Facts Speak Louder Than Words and Serbian’s Lies Will Collapse by Themselves. Serbs always have been considered as oppressors there, not just by Albanian majority, but also by other ethnic groups too. Serbs just occupied Kosova during the rise of the Serbian nationalism early 20th century from Ottomans, who by then were loosing the Balkans after 500 years of occupation. The borders of Kosova are well established and recognized. Now Kosova should be Free!
To find the answer for the question “do you think Kosovo’s independence will strengthen separatist movements elsewhere”, please refer to:
http://www.acesofww2.com/germany/aces/Hartmann.htm
Erich Hartman – top ace of all the time. German Luftwaffe Bf 109 Pilot.
Near the end of WWII, in early May 1945, Hartmann, then Gruppenkommandeur of famous Jagdgeschwader 52, and his Commodore, Hermann Graf, ground crew, family members, and other civilians, who had joined the squadron, seeking protection approaching Russian army, moved west in direction of territory already occupied by US troops. On May 8th, 1945, the soldiers and civilians surrendered to US troops in the region between Bavaria (German province) and Czech border. But on May 17th, the US Army delivered all of these German troops and civilians to the Red Army. How did the Russian troops treat the civilians? They tortured, raped German woman, children at least 12 years old. Some woman were shot after the rapes. Others were not so lucky. A twelve year old girl whose mother had been raped and shoot being raped by several solders. She died from these acts soon afterward. Then more Russian came, and it began all over again. During the night, entire German families committed suicide with men killing their wives and daughters, then themselves. This is the way the slavics treat the human been, the innocent civilians. This is the way the Serbs treated innocent Croatian, Bosnian and Dardanian civilians. If any entity of human been will be treated like that, then they are in title to ask and gain the independence.
RE: David.
No you’re wrong Kosovo refused Georgias recognition, cuz it was worthless, where is Goergian anyways?
I ccan’t keep up with all these Russian new countries that poped up like mushrooms.
It remind me of hemmm what was the latest dictatorship country to break up? Oh yeah used to be called Yugoslavia.
Dear Besnik,
How about you first master the art of writting?
May be that your frustration will ease….
I am an American living in Europe for school, I am 21. This past week I traveled to Serbia. I have to say I had the best time in Serbia. Belgrade is an amazing city and unfortunately many do not know this. Our governments website http://www. state. gov even suggests that no American travel to Serbia and that it has just evacuated all non-emergency personnel from the embassy. It also says the embassy was heavily damaged, so I went by, simply a few windows were knocked out and there is some minor fire damage, which didn’t appear to be “severely damaged”, and when it was being covered as it was happening the headlines read “charred body found in U.S. Embassy”, of course to portray it as if an American had been killed. This charred body was not American, he was one of the protestors, and yet this minor detail was conveniently left out. However, McDonald’s got hit hard! More so than the embassy. The media shows picture after picture of “Anti-American sentiment”, all of which is a lie. There is a few small few who would even consider anything we call “anti-American”, there isn’t some huge movement against America, simply some youth who performed a political statement. We’ve seen worse at home. Monday night even happened to be the anniversary of the 1999 NATO bombing campaign which was said to be a time americans definitely should avoid Serbia. All I have to say is that people were very friendly and never minded talking to me in English, I was slightly reluctant at first to state where I was from due to all the media coverage. When people asked where I was from and I told them the U.S., they were even more friendly to me and shared many stories with me. KOSOVO JE SRBIJA!!!!!!!
Justin,
You don’t make any sense at all..
As you know wether the Serbia likes USA or NOT who gives a shit?
“there isn’t a huge movememnts against America”
What a joke a movement against America how that possible by Serbia..
Well it seems your big bootleg brother Russia isn’t doing much for you either, they can’t help themselfs forget about you.
To get more to the point the Serbians hate USA, Europeans Nations just for tha facts that relised the truth and aligned with Kosova.
Kosova is Free and that’s how’s going to be.
To all the Serbs haters..
EAT YOUR HEART OUT, AS WE ENJOY THAT.
first off, your English is horrible and I can’t tell which side you are even on.
and obviously you misunderstood the entire argument I was making, again, maybe it’s the English. I am not sure.
and as someone mentioned above, I believe that Serbs may dislike the government, NOT the people.
and you said I don’t make sense? you said “Europeans Nations just for tha facts that relised the truth and aligned with Kosova.”
hmmm.. with the European nations that sided with Kosovo, just as many (including others outside the E.U.) sided with Serbia.
get your facts straight, or at least or English, either way you’ll make more sense.
Justin:
‘first off, your English is horrible and I can’t tell which side you are even on.”
Shit! I know you aint talking… with you elementary school English.
What side am I?
damn you’re really DUMB!!!
Obviously, not on the Serbian side, and I know poor people need help badly, fk-ing Russia can’t help them either Serbian PM went to Vietnam to complain about Kosovo that’s real scary they going to attack us with rice bags.
“and obviously you misunderstood the entire argument I was making, again, maybe it’s the English. I am not sure.”
You damn right! It is your retarded English son.
You make no fk sense or whatsoever.
They send you to school in Europe, but that aint working.
Do your self a favor and drop out the school its a waste of money!
You must have Serbian roots they fk-up and dumb as hell.
“and as someone mentioned above, I believe that Serbs may dislike the government, NOT the people.”
Serbes DONT like anyone even their own mothers(of course they hoe’s anyway)
and you said I don’t make sense? you said “Europeans Nations just for tha facts that relised the truth and aligned with Kosova.”
hmmm.. with the European nations that sided with Kosovo, just as many (including others outside the E.U.) sided with Serbia
Oh man you crack me up with your stupidity, you’re too easy… Just do me a favor and kill yourself would you ?
Do you know which EU member “supports” Serbia? Apparently not, well I’ll tell you the 3 countries which have the lowest GDP in EU( I’m sure you have no clue what that means)
1. Greece has lied about their GDP and to date don’t meet EU standards
2. Spain Same shit as Greece bootleg European member just to grow the EU.
3. Romania which don’t belong in EU period! Way too poor.
I’m talking for the World Powers such as:
Germany, France, UK, Italy, US which recognised Kosova within days.
The 12 most industrialised nations they count, not Greece “Olive country” and Spain, as well as Gypsy Romania. please..
“get your facts straight, or at least or English, either way you’ll make more sense”
Huh?? You’re making so much sense.. Translation anyone?
OK that’s it…..
PEOPLE LISTEN UP I WANT TO MAKE IT OFFICIAL:
If stupidity becomes over $100 a barrel I want drilling rights on Justin Wagner’s head.. LOL
Nada Nada Nada:
KOSOVO HISTORY ISNT MYTHICAL, PERHAPS IT MIGHT BE WELL WORTH LOSING LIVES FOR.
WOW, Do you know this phrase is copy written from the Serbian nationalist propaganda ?..
Come on get a grip… Wake up and smell the coffee.
Where have you been? War? Who? Serbia ?
I wish the Serbs were so stupid to even provoke a war.
That will make the disappearance of this hated race that don’t belong in Europe once and for all.
Yes, I agree Europe need to clean up Serbian garbage. Its time, we should finish what e started in ‘99
You know Serbs can’t fight with your outdated Russian weapons, or their starving solders.
Serbia lost all the wars, and got lucky not to get wiped out of the map.
As I always say:
Serbs eat your hearts out, and we enjoy it!!!!!!
Italy a world power?! that’s a first.
their government collapsed 2 months ago.
hahahahaaahahahahahahahahahah. TIM can you please show some mercy to Justin?
Breaking new!!
LOL I think he is getting better… He “almost” got me
Look at his reply:
“Italy a world power?! that’s a first.
their government collapsed 2 months ago”
Like Serbians lasted longer …
Justin is too easy… Lets wait few more years and see when european education will kick in, if at all.
Tim
u ppl have no clue what ur talking about srbs were real soldiers they fought for kosovo years ago and we haven’t stopped since, OUR history is true and it shows that KOSOVO IS SERBIA’S…
KOSOVO JE SRCE SRBIJE NEKA ZNA CITAV SVET…
SRBIJO STA JE TVOJE TI POVRATI RECI GLASNO CELOM SVETU KO SMO STA SMO I STA RADIMO!!!
NEDAJ TE KOSOVO… DONT LET KOSOVO GO!!!
Jelena,
Kosovo is gone for good. Real soldiers don’t commit war crimes and don’t hide after commiting them as Ratko Mladic & company did. You should blame your “real soldiers” for loosing Kosovo, not anyone else.
This reflects a test attempt on my part to get views posted at another GV thread. These repeated attempts have failed as one sided distortions are levied against me.
Philip Thompson’s comments are unsubstantiated and broad babble.
Marko Attila Hoare’s faith in kangaroo court antics reveal a flawed advocacy. Years ago, the UN had a resolution linking Zionism to racism. It was an “international” document. Does Hoare agree with that one? The point being that the “international” tag isn’t the end all for determining accuracy and virtue to a given set of issues. All of us haven’t always agreed to what a given international body has determined. A number of legal scholars and astute academics have credibly revealed the faulty manner of the ICTY. Hoare’s ongoing denial of Bosnian Muslim nationalist wrongdoing is in line with his ongoing display of deceit.
I’m considerably more objective than Hoare. This includes what I’ve said at this thread. On the other hand, he distorts what others besides myself have said.
Among the issues, is a fully confirmed review, revealing the Bosnian Civil War deaths at Srebrenica in terms of the ethnic breakdown of those killed and how they were killed (whether by summary execution, collateral damage, or as armed combatants). In that area, the stated Serb deaths have ranged in the hundreds to over 3,000. The former can be considered more believable than the latter. The stated 8,000 Muslims killed in Srebrenica during the war hasn’t clearly confirmed a breakdown on how they were killed (once again: whether by summary execution, collateral damage, or as armed combatants).
Along with some others, I wasn’t the one with the “poor grasp” of total Bosnian Civil War casualties. Hoare talks about “lies.” How about the “lies” regarding the overly bloated figures of 200,000 or more killed during the entire Bosnian Civil War and rape claims in the tens of thousands? His underhanded acknowledgement of this (at his blog) second guesses the now generally accepted 100,000 Bosnian Civil War casualty figure because of what he calls undocumented war related starvation and disease fatalities caused by the war. Hoare shows no conclusive evidence to support that suggestion. Instead, he brings up other conflicts where such war related deaths have been evident. It’s not evident relative to Bosnia. The civil war related to Biafra clearly included massive death by starvation. Likewise, wars fought in tropical jungle like conditions have led to mass deaths caused by diseases. All this isn’t evident vis-à-vis the Bosnian Civil War.
My comments about Alija Izetbegovic are more accurate than Hoare’s comments about Draza Miahailovic (reference Izetbegovic’s past in the below link to this note).
Hoare’s portrayal of the USSR in the time shortly before 1941 is in line with his skewed way of distorting the past and present.
The West’s selling out of Czechoslovakia to Hitler, Poland and Hungary in 1938 made it easier for the Nazis to attack the USSR.
In point of fact, the USSR offered the West a joint alliance against the dismemberment of Czechoslovakia. This offer was rejected. The West was no doubt hoping that the Nazis would just stay East. Recall Truman’s wish to see both regimes bleeding each other to a pulp.
All this is said with the understanding and revulsion that Stalin’s regime was brutish. It nevertheless had a reasonable basis for making its own deal with the Nazis. One that was encouraged by how the West chose to address the Czechoslovak matter in 1938.
Considering her fascist display in this discussion, Maja/Mayya is being quite bizarre in wrongly accusing me of such manner.
She was the one who brought up Russia. I appropriately replied to her comments.
Serbianna is far more objective than the Srebrenica Genocide Blog (SGB) and Greater Surbiton (GS). The latter two only post views in line with their overly one sided and often times faulty perspectives. Serbianna posts and links articles with views different from Serbianna’s contributors. Unlike the SGB and GS, I acknowledge Serb wrongdoing in a way that they don’t acknowledge Bosnian Muslim nationalist wrongs.
Maja/Mayya is quite a flake. On the one hand, she earlier acknowledged Bosnian Muslim nationalist propaganda efforts. On the other hand, she’s mute about going after such efforts as displayed at this thread.
Abdic is by no means perfect. The same holds true of Izetbegovic, whose 1970 Islamic Declaration and WW II ties I don’t appear to have distorted:
http://antiwar.com/malic/?articleid=1382
Fact based opinions citing factual instances. One can find plenty of other instances in well founded support of the above link.
In comparison to Abdic, what major Bosnian Serb leaders backed Izetbegovic during the Bosnian Civil War?
Overall, many Bosnian Croats opposed the Izetbegovic side during the war. This included instances of opposing him in conjunction with Abdic and-or the Serbs. This Bosnian Croat stance only changed after influential forces in the West gave them a carrot to do so. This quite likely included a green light for Operation Storm. In addition, the Croats are said to have skimmed Iranian arms deliveries to Izetbegovic’s side upon delivery into Croatia.
You are making a desperate plea out of it, well done! But you are lieing and trying to manipulate the facts.
Albanians NEVER fought Jihad, or “in the name of Allah”. Albanians NEVER identified their struggle as a religious one.
Serbs claim something of a “christian civilization” that is somehow underthreat. No, “christian civilizations” would never slaughter thousands of innocents in Bosnia and Kosovo, “christian civilizations” would never displaced millions of people, “christian civilizations” would never commit ethnic cleansing, and last but not least “christian civilizations” would never wage war!
So take your disgusting propaganda somewhere else! KOSOVO IS FREE AND DEMOCRATIC as it should be. Serbia will eventually turn into a SHIT-HOLE as it deserves to be.
Next….VOJVODINA!
Learn the other side of the story here…. http://youtube.com/watch?v=7nepY-77ckQ