Once the news of Tibetans slicing children's ears off and burning people alive sunk in, Chinese netizens worldwide seized onto initial misreported details from the situation in Tibet and don't seem willing to let this one go. In fact, they've declared cyberwar on major western media outlets, and anti-CNN.com is campaign headquarters.
As words like Tibet and Lhasa moved to the top of the GFW keyword list following the outbreak of violence and unrest in southwestern China earlier this month, a lot of attention to root causes to the Tibet situation simply stopped at anti-CNN.com's collection of photos, screenshots, furious accusations and non-sequiturs, most of which might hold up under scrutiny, as the collection made for convenient paste-and-copy blogging.
For bloggers trapped between two sides in a ruthless propaganda battle that has seen lives lost and a large part of China placed under military lock-down, there's of course a lot of frustration being felt about how to even begin blogging the situation. Then there are facts such as that young Tibetan militants in exile fully intended to created a disturbance in Lhasa for this year's Tibetan National Uprising Day and have talked openly about doing so for the past several months.
So how does one start addressing this now unfortunately prevalent attitude among Chinese bloggers seen in the intro on anti-CNN.com?
认清西方媒体卑鄙无耻的真面目
长期以来，以CNN、BBC为代表的西方某些媒体借新闻自由之名
对广大发展中国家进行了肆无忌惮的污蔑和诋毁
为了达到他们不可告人的目的
他们栽赃陷害、颠倒黑白、混淆是非、无中生有……真是无所不用其极
have been unscrupulously slandering and defaming developing nations
In order to achieve their unspoken goal
They mislead and they ensnare, switching black for white, confusing right and wrong, fabricating…willing to go to any length
在对2008年3月西藏骚乱的报道中
西方媒体的表演再一次向世人展示了他们丑恶的真实面目本网站旨在收集、整理并发布西方主流媒体作恶的证据
如果您看到任何西方媒体作恶的证据，请千万不要轻易放过他们
把它们保存起来并寄给我们
多收集一份他们的罪证，就是为我们争取到了多一点的空间我们关注所有西方媒体（不只是CNN），不限语言、内容（文本或图片）和国家
Western media's performance once again shows to the world their repulsive true face
This website seeks to collect, organize and publish the proof of the evil of western mainstream media
If you see any proof of Western media's evil, please do not whatsoever let them get off easily
Please save it and send it to us
The more evidence of their crimes we collect, the more space we'll have fought and won for ourselves
We are concerned with all western media (not only CNN), and not limited by language, content (text or photos) or country
这将是一场反抗西方话语霸权的斗争
我们应该充分认识到这场斗争的长期性、艰巨性和复杂性
但无论怎样，我们都坚信：西方国家妄图通过几个破媒体就一张臭嘴遮天的日子将一去不返了！
We need to fully recognize that this will be a long-term, difficult and complex battle
But regardless of the outcome, we all firmly believe:
Western nations' days of using several of their crap media in an absurd attempt to fool people with their rotten words will soon be over for good!
Please see Global Voices Online's ongoing collection of related links at our special feature Tibet Protests 2008.
Dear John Kennedy,
Who are you? Is there anything at all in your background that qualifies you to write about the Tibetan people’s predicament? Do you have a degree in Tibetan studies? I just wonder. No problem though. Most people speaking up on this issue are ill equipped. That goes for east and west both.
Why do John needs a degree in Tibetan studies?? oh,wat a rude response by DAN !!
i think the blog chose by john is just the insensible part of chinese blogs. if you want to learn the main stream of what chinese are thinking these days on the issue,you should not just read these ones which are as simple as a reply posted on bbs. yes, we felt anger but we are thinking at the same time.
1 http://www.hecaitou.net/?p=2686
2 http://www.dowant.com/blog/post/193.html
http://www.gxnews.com.cn/staticpages/20080324/newgx47e7021e-1425147.shtml
see it by your self.
Who are you, Dan?
How are you equipped?
Faceless as you are, you can’t call for fairness!
Let us know who you are.
I know it was rude, but t[he]y had it coming. Beijing journalists and Sinologists don’t have a clue what Tibetans have on their minds. But how could they? They’ve never tried to find out. And CP keeps them silenced, just as they are silencing them at this moment. Like that’s a smart move that worked so well before.
Let me see, how to put it more nicely, Running dogs of the Beijing imperialists? Nah, just a tad strong.
Anyway, most academic Tibetologists have long been cowed into silence. Perhaps many are afraid to say what they know. PRC repression oppresses us all. After all, most of them have Tibetan friends in the PRC and TAR. You guys are right. It’s too dangerous to tell the truth about the situation. I’ll shut up now. Go back to reading my Tibetan books. You go back to reading your Chinese. But only if you guys will promise to keep your mouths shut, too.
Sun,
I tried those URLs you sent me, but interesting thing is they absolutely refuse to open for me.
And to everyone else, the statement I most vigorously object to is this one:
“young Tibetan militants in exile fully intended to created a disturbance in Lhasa for this year’s Tibetan National Uprising Day and have talked openly about doing so for the past several months”
The link given here says no such thing. It does make inuendos that the TYC MUST HAVE BEEN planning something on that particular day (that they are always planning things goes without saying; they are a dissident group within the Tibetan diaspora; not representative of it). But there is not one lick of evidence for this. Only suspicion. The demonstrations occurred through a clear chain of events from March 9, not March 10, and there is no evidence whatsoever for any foreign hand’s involvement. Nobody expected it to turn out as it did. It took everyone by surprise. Tibetan people have grievances. Face up to it. Don’t sweep it under the rug and “blame the foreign hand” as was always done in the past. That’s not working.
By the way: How long times will it take before the fragile and sensitive Chinese government will allow the World to see an ‘anti-xinhoa.cn’ website, with all the lies, falsehoods and untold stories from Xinhoa, and the bouquet of newspapers Xinhoa are feeding.
From then, I am sure the World - or at least China will be a better place…
@Dan
This is all I can find on short notice. There are BBC Chinese reports which go back earlier, but I’ll need more time to dig those up. Emphasis below is mine.
“The march will start on 10 March 2008, from Dharamsala, the capital of Tibetan exiles and will pass through Delhi and then head towards Tibet. Walking for six months, we might reach the Tibet border around the time China opens the Beijing 2008 Olympics (August 14-25). Presently it’s too early to approximate at which border point we would be crossing; Tibet and India share a border that runs 4,075 Km along the length of the Himalayas. We might choose any point, or even multiple points. We’ll see the situation.
I know there had been similar attempts in the past, but this is 2008…..
[snip]
….[e]ver since the march was announced on 4th January 2008, Tibetans have been talking about it; it’s a major discussion in the refugee camps. Recently the organizers launched the entry form. And I heard people are slowly getting themselves registered. You too can register your volunteer online. For more information please visit: http://www.TibetanUprising.org For enquiries email the coordinators: Lobsang yeshi or sherab woser.
Join us.
Tenzin Tsundue
Dharamsala”
link: http://yesworldblog.blogspot.com/2008/02/walking-to-tibet-again.html
comment update
Took me well over an hour, but here are those links:
http://chinaconfidential.blogspot.com/2008/01/tibetan-exiles-in-india-plan-march-on.html
http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/chinese/simp/hi/newsid_7170000/newsid_7171600/7171692.stm
http://news.xinhuanet.com/newscenter/2008-03/24/content_7850917.htm
see this XinHua comment
“裁剪的历史不是真实的历史，正义不会因蒙蔽而失去力量。” ……….
what a joke!
Can you blame them?
Anyway it doesn’t matter now, the damage is already done, and just like the “TAM Massacare”, this “Tibet Massacare” public opinin, has yet again been manufactured by our milityar-industrial-media-complex.
its all sentiments…
no one knows the truth, not even chinese gov’t, nor Dalai Lama, but bits of voices. there is a strong sentiment against western media about the tibet protest in mainland china. of course it is partly a result of the media ban in tibet. but there is also a partial truth about the selective use of images for creating an “impression”.
while the western media is selective, the chinese media is monopolized in the representation of the issue. in both cases, readers should be informed and critical of the “production” of this “reality”.
I have been following the Tibet crisis closely on my blog. And I have posted my own reflections on the controversy concerning CNN’s coverage of the unrest.
I think we need to question the notion of the “Chinese netizen.”
http://jotman.blogspot.com/2008/03/attacks-on-cnn-motivated-by-chinese.html
Dear Dr. Kennedy,
Ok, Thanks. You’re doing fine. You’ve demonstrated very clearly what we already knew, that the march toward Tibet by the exile NGOs in India was timed to start on March 10. You may not be aware that Tibetan exiles always observe March 10 with demonstrations to commemorate the original uprising in ‘59. You may also not be aware that nothing has ever happened in Tibet on March 10 since ‘59 because that is simply the most logical symbolic date to have demonstrations. Therefore security in Tibet and especially in Lhasa was always tightened around this date, and so nothing ever happened. 2008 is the first time ever.
A march into Tibet was suggested several years ago by Samdhong Rinpoche before he became Prime Minister of the TGIE. It was then suggested as a Gandhian Satyagraha “Grasping onto truth” type of peaceful protest, like the famous Salt March. However, now the TYC seems to have highjacked the idea (everyone knows they don’t care for Gandhian methods). Apparently the march is off for now. (A lemming-suicidal idea, really, and not likely to help with anything at the moment.)
What you have not demonstrated at all is that the TYC had anything to do with events in the TAR. Those of us with experience in the exile community know that the TYC is famous for tough talk. But have they actually ever done anything? That we have never heard. This would be a first. That’s why we think the idea is utterly absurd and would demand some kind of proof that it occurred, not assertion based on innuendo. Leave that to Xinhua.
With thanks for your endurance of my rough or rude or ill-mannered comments. They were not aimed specifically at you, since anyway I don’t know who you are. That makes the anonymity mutual. Seems fairly fair to me.
I wonder that why the Mr Kennedy doesn’t use the pictures the netizens are pasting and copying in their blogs. The very reason is he is guiding the readers thinking about the socalled disinformed chinese people are ignorant and rude.
Germany N-TV,BILD and RTL like to use the policemen in Nepal instead the ones in China,while the Fox in US prefer the Indian police. BBC used a picture of ambulence,but labelling it as a heavy military presence.
CNN was so smart that a picture showing the tibetans attacking the vehicles with stones was cut out to be the vehicles alone.
What kind of pictures would be used if the reports even can’t go to the locale of the turbulence,and what kind of media and nations would make themselves as the savior of the world. Who can say you are telling the truth after seeing the distorted picutres?
Visit the web if you dare.
http://www.anti-cnn.com/index2.html
Cora. You are late. Everyone here have being on this website.
Wise as you are, you know everyone can be wrong. Fools er those who didn’t learn. Are you able to tell me why the anti-cnn-website doesn’t bring false Xinhoanet or China Daily information’s? Here is a website for you to visit, if you dare:
http://secrettibet.rsfblog.org/archive/2008/03/25/index.html
PS: Tell the people around anti-cnn.com that they will be less vulgar or plebeian if they made follow-ups about their own stories.
@cora:
It’s a little difficult for Western news media to get reliable pictures and stories. Why? Because China won’t even let them in. How can China complain about unfair coverage when it wouldn’t even allow Western media in?
[…] Kennedy, Global Voices Chinese language editor, has an amazing report today titled “Bloggers Declare War on Western Media Coverage“. Kennedy points out that Chinese-language media is reporting “the news of Tibetans […]
I supported Bloggers War on Western Media Hegeomony that opposed media biased and ethnic dissents. I believed Western Media Hegeomony is just ethnic cleanising over the World including Bosnia, Kosovo, Iraq & Oil War, Banana Trade Dispute… Long Live Bloggers and Struggles against Western Media Hegeomony.
I just do not know why some major western newpaper or media say that Tibetan protest is peaceful? Have not they seen the blood? The fire? 6 young and becautiful girls had been burn alive to death!!! Why they can not see that? All these have been done by Dalai clique, they are terrost!!! Every one wants freedom, but all should be legal!!! You can kill anyone you want just because you want independence??? I had seen it that some terrorists catched a chopping knife in Tibet and Sichuan province, they kill anyone they dislike, ( I do not say Tibetan, because most Tibetan like peace, just some of them are the members of Dalai Clique). But how the police responsed to that? They just persuaded them to be calm down and throw away the chopping knife. The chinese police even have not taken any weapon. Some of the police have been hurt.
I am a Chinese, I support our government.
hope CNN don’t select messages. you guys know what, you have ever been to China? could you know more than a people who live in China? I am a common chinese girl. China is a country of 56 ethnical groups . we are very united. this time, it is just Dala who prompt small goup of Tibetan chinese to do those crimes. The small goup of criminals can’t represent the whole Tibetan chinese. Large number of Tibetan chinese are now scattered on all part of China. Dut to its geographical condition,(Tibetan are on 4000 meters plateau.)Tibet is obviously less developed than other parts of China.Our chinese government every year send many scholors from other parts of china to help Tibetan chinese building their homes(even our president is ever governor of Tibet) and carried out a policy that minority goups are more privilege than main chinese group in education such as score-adding on main examination.China also has a policy of religion freedom. stop criticizing, mind your own business. All chinses people are like one family . we love China. China will become a super power in 30 years. Watch!
People like Dan and all his supporters are the typical racists and hypocrites that pretend to be intelligent. You fool no one. First you questioned John credential on Tibet then you wrote whole bunch of rubbish without any reference and proof. So what is your credential?
Do you know when Tibet is under the ruling of Lama, there’s no basic human right? Do you know there’s no freedom of religion. Do you know women were either sex slave or slave ? Do you know all properties were owned by the Lama? 90% of the Tibetan are slaves, all must follow the Lama religion.
Do you want proof? The better question is can you handle the proof. Can you hanlde the proof that you are just a mindless puppet. Rather than just reading propaganda leaflets from free-tibet hippies, why don’t you go to any university libraries and you will find heaps of real history of Tibet. If you are too lazy or too scare to take the first step, try reading this by a real history proffesor, asumming you have the guts
http://www.michaelparenti.org/Tibet.html.
Tibetans and Falun Gong, fooling the world one idiot at a time.
To a certain extent I have to say that I agree that it is a good thing people are questioning what is on the western media. However, on this Tibetan issue, we still need to hear the Tibetan side of the story. So far what we heard is the opinions of the millions of Chinese media and bloggers and the western media.
What about the Tibetans? I may be ignorant but I an assuming, many of them in China probably don’t have internet access to voice their opinion. I also further assume that many of the Tibetans in China cannot speak sufficient enough English to argue their plight. If in fact that they are unhappy, then as the world we need to hear them out.
The Western media must hide the violence committed by Tibetan protesters because once that becomes obvious to the masses then Tibetan protesters and Tibetophiles will lose all moral authority. The logic is simple really: if Afro-Americans protest in the US for perceived unequal rights and discrimination then the public sentiments will be for them if the media run articles about discriminations 24×7. However, when Afro-Americans riot and start to burn, loot, and kill as they did in the LA riot the public sentiment quickly turned against them and their causes although it’s a fact that Afro-Americans have been treated unfairly in the US for centuries. It’s difficult to justify killing of innocents in such a wanton manner, even more so when the Tibetan leader is known to be a pacifist (or at least after the failed CIA armed revolt in the 50s).
For Western media and Tibetophiles, it’s easy to discredit the first hand witness accounts from both western and chinese tourists telling of the violent protesters; Simply say they are part of a Chinese government propaganda. Affirmation bias is rampant amongst the China-bashers. Just watch the comments in the forums: When approached with hard facts, the China-bashers will always resort to kneejerk comments such as “But that’s Chinese Propganda so it must be false and btw how much did the chinese government pay you to write this message?”
Some guy named Brent wrote: “How can China complain about unfair coverage when it wouldn’t even allow Western media in?”
This appears to be a popular excuse for the sloppy or intentionally biased reporting done by western media over Tibet. Think logically for one moment: Just because journalists cannot get inside Gitmo, would it be okay for major new outlets to take pictures of tortures in other prisons and run a story called “Torture in US prison”? If CNN, BBC, Der spiegel and other “respected” news outlets did this not only will the reporter be fired but someone up the management chain will probably resign as well. Journalism is about integrity. There is little authority for western media to blast Chinese media’s lack of integrity when its own people clearly lack the same basic journalistic quality.
I have written an update to my previous post concerning this ridiculous controversy:
http://jotman.blogspot.com/2008/03/this-is-follow-up-to-my-earlier-post.html
How about some perspective?
Over the years, Western news organizations have done a lot of good work that has served the interests of the people of China. They have investigated the plight of the Chinese peasantry, the destruction of China’s environment, the corruption that impedes prosperity, and shortcomings in the rule-of-law that have left Chinese people — especially the poor — without access to justice? One should keep this in mind.
What we must believe is our eyes! All the media around the world must be screened and identified by ourselves with our own eyes. Motive video is better than photo. Photos can easily be modified or cut to the size for politicians and their media to use, and be emphasied with their own motion.
We MUST use our own eyes to watch live video and carefully identify who were killed or hit.
When media supplied video that showed innocent people be killed, we have enough reason to believe the fact and know who are making the conflicts, or riots.
Don’t be cheated by the politicians! including the exile leader Dalai and his young followers, including western countries led by USA, UK, Germany and their media, even including the China government! They have their positions.
Dalai Lama backs Beijing Olympics
from Australia ABC News
Updated 10 March 2008 at 04:55:21
Tibet’s exiled spiritual leader, the Dalai Lama, says he backs China’s right to host the Olympic Games.
He made the statement after China’s top official in Tibet accused him of trying to sabotage the summer games.
The Dalai Lama called the Chinese official’s accusation “highly inflammatory”.
He said while he does not support the calls by Tibet support groups for a games boycott, he says they could remind the international community about the repression and urgency of the situation in Tibet.
The Dalai Lama is frustrated by China’s refusal to discuss ‘cultural autonomy’ for Tibet, but sees a window to sway public opinion ahead of the Olympics.
Gotta laugh at any comments of a “do you know what Tibet was like under the Dalai Lama?” nature? The Dalai Lama was a mere teenager when the Chinese invaded.
Many other arguments are laughable. He eats meat? Big deal. CIA funds? Yeah…they ended in 1974, and went almost entirely to PR campaigns (e.g. Tibet House in New York).
It’s hard to believe anything the Chinese say when the gap between their Dalai Lama propaganda (”a demon with the face of a human but the heart of a beast”…Tibet’s communist party head) and the easy-to-see public image of the Dalai Lama, via books, video, etc., is so huge.
we firmly support our government in dealing with this Tibet turmoil. Almost all young chinese assert those criminals should be punished severly. Want to bash china’s modernization course. NO WAY!
to judge a person, we shouldn’t only hear what they said but should see what they have done. We trust our government. Our government has done a great job in improving people’s lives. China is the fastest growing country in the world. We cherish our peaceful and happy lives.our future is bright.Tibetan chinese ’s lives will be better and better. from my childhood, our teacher told us that all 56 ethnical groups of China should live together happily, which is also our government’s nationality policy. “cultural autonomy”??? how funny. No one had ever, never destroied their culture. all we focus is to develope our economy. we don’t like to do nonsense like you guys interfering other countries’ internal affairs. Our fate should be decided by all chinese peple not by foreigh people.
“What we must believe is our eyes! ”
Indeed, what’s odd is the lack of internet videos and photos of Chinese force beating or killing the tibetan monks. In this day and age, how is it possible that not one person sympathetic to the Tibetan cause would not have a camera phone with them? There are plenty of photos and videos of rioters branding their knives, burning and looting. But there is not one photo or one video which shows Chinese police beating monks? So far I have only seen some photos showing corpses with bullets in them with no indication whatsoever of when or who. I found this to be very odd considering the western media has been screaming for a bloody crackdown all this time. You figure there gotta be at least a couple of photos showing bloodied monks with police hanging over them. This makes me wonder, just what evidence did western media use to verify what they report as ‘facts’?
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For one to find the truth on this issue, you must have encounters with all three parties, but there’s what’s on their mind in a nutshell:
West: thinks that freedom, democracy and capitalism fits anyone anywhere, and are not afraid to lie, attack, destroy anyone who think otherwise. Because… freedom, democracy and capitalism is simply the only solution to all the world’s problems.Can you say… American Empire?
China: thinks they own tibet. think that since its been part of their territory for the last four or five centuries, they should have full rights over everyone there. regardless of the method. For them, everything the west says against them is wrong, because the west doesnt want to have revenge done against them.
Tibet: they are oppressed. they dont realized that they are as influenced by american culture as anyone else in China. But for them, it’s diffferent: they are oppressed. Because they like the old way better. On top of that, Dalai Lama, their spiritual leader is good enough for them, and they don’t like or need the chinese leading their way for them. because… they are foreigners.
ok, now start bashing one another again.
Thanks WH for offering this link. I think people should read it for knowing the Tibet history. It is helpful.
http://www.michaelparenti.org/Tibet.html.
“Countries: China, Tibet (ARC)”
You created a country called “Tibet”? Why don’t you use the terms like:
Countries: USA and Alaska
Countries: USA and Hawaii
Countries: UK and Scotland
Beijing classifies it as an Autonomous Region of China (hence ARC) and the Dalai Lama has been calling for an autonomous Tibet for years, so whose label do you recommend one go by? That said, there is virtually no content on this website involving Alaska, Hawaii or Scotland, as Global Voices Online does not cover blogs from those areas. Are you ignoring that fact or did you just not even bother to look?
Ken, good point. The Michael Parenti article which 2 comments above mention certainly represents a heroic effort to debunk myths about Tibet and the Dalai Lama, but to the extent that past history was, in fact, over-romanticized, the author is unequivocal that the future prospects for Tibetans under the Chinese regime look grim. See here:
http://jotman.blogspot.com/2008/03/tibetans-and-chinese-have-something-in.html
Two key words to look for if you want some idea of who the troublemakers might be
Tsewang Rigzin
CNN belongs to American media; we should understand that it’s a propaganda tool for the interest of USA politics only. Based on this event occurred in China we all can see clearly that many western people had been brain washed by their medias for long time.
For about a year now the former Chief Strategist of Netscape has been warning everyone through his articles that this was a huge threat and actually identified several strategies and tactics that if used would compromise the information infrastructure in the U.S. and globally. Why is it our intelligence services are just waking up to this threat? Why is it throughout history we ignore or dismiss the experts until it is too late! I just did a Google search (Kevin Coleman Cyber Attack) and found over 13,000 references. With that much intelligence we should be much further along in protecting and defending against cyber attacks that we are today!
Those Chinese bloggers are stupid and worthless, let’s see them try to address this photo:
“http://www.strategypage.com/militaryforums/69-30601.aspx”
CNN statement on Tibet coverage
CNN关于西藏报道的声明
CNN) — CNN has been singled out for criticism for our coverage of events in Tibet through an anti-CNN.com Web site and elsewhere. We have provided comprehensive coverage of all sides of this story, but two specific allegations relate to pro-Tibetan bias. We would like to take this chance to respond to them:
CNN– 一个名为anti-cnn和一些其他网站挑选了一些CNN关于西藏事件报道的图片对CNN进行批评。围绕这一事件我们提供了全方位的报道，其中有两种关于西藏报道失真的言论。借此机会我们对这两种观点给出以下回应：
Allegation 1: CNN intentionally cropped an image in order to remove Tibetan protesters throwing stones at Chinese trucks.
观点1：CNN国际裁剪了一张图片以移走向中国卡车投掷石块的西藏抗议者
CNN refutes all allegations by bloggers that it distorts its coverage of the events in Tibet to portray either side in a more favorable light. We have consistently and repeatedly shown all sides of this story. The one image in question was used wholly appropriately in the specific editorial context and there could be no confusion regarding what it was showing, not least because it was captioned: “Tibetans throw stones at army vehicles on a street in the capital Lhasa.” The picture gallery included in Tibet stories includes the image.
CNN驳斥一切blogger关于CNN歪曲报道西藏事件的言论。我们重复再三的报道了有关此次事件的方方面面。我们非常恰当地将那张有争议的图片放入了一些特定的文章中并且它表达的意思根本不存在任何混淆，至少不是因为他下面的标题：“藏人在首府拉萨的一条街道上向军车投掷石块。”有关西藏事件的图片库中包括了这张图片。
We have also published images showing violence by Tibetans against the Chinese. A March 18 story shows Tibetan youths attacking a Chinese man.
我们也发表了一些图片显示藏人对中国人使用暴力（注意CNN的用词，藏人对中国人！）。3月18号的一篇文章里面显示一群藏族青年正在殴打一个中国人。
Additionally, we have published video from the Chinese media apparently showing Tibetans attacking Chinese interests in Lhasa.
另外，我们也发表了一个摘自中国媒体的视频，上面清晰地显示一些藏民正在攻击中国人在拉萨的财产。
Allegation 2: CNN referred to Tibet as a “country.”
观点2：CNN称西藏为一个“国家”
CNN’s policy is to refer to Tibet as “Tibet Autonomous Region of China.” In our dozens of stories on the topic to date, we are aware of only two instances where it was incorrectly referenced as a country.
对于西藏，CNN一贯称其为“中国西藏自治区”。到目前为止，在我们的一系列文章的标题中，我们发现只有两个实例错误的将其称为一个国家。（明显自相矛盾，简直让人啼笑皆非！）
CNN’s reputation is based on reporting global news accurately and impartially, while our coverage through the use of words, images or video always reflects a wide range of opinions and points of view on every story.
CNN的声誉是建立在对全球新闻准确而公正的报道之上的，因此我们对于事件报道所使用的文字，图片或者视频一贯从全方位的角度反映了广大范围内的观点。（最后一句话简直就是在放屁！）
托伟大的中华网网友的福，CNN这个老狐狸快要顶不住了，大家加油，将反抗生进行到底，冒着敌人的炮火，前进，前进，前进！！！！！
nanheyangrouchuan:
“Those Chinese bloggers are stupid and worthless…”
wow… such a deep thought, intelligent comment there.
And you would know something about China? I saw that picture you posted, and guess what, like it said, it’s a conspiracy. Trying to interpretate an entire event from one single picture… you’ll be better off finding Marsians.
And seriously, simply bashing China for all its worth will get you NOwhere. If your goal was really to improve China’s human rights record, then actually start IMPROVING. Cause ruthless bashing and outright show of anger (like the recent riot) will only be mirrored by the China’s responses.
Cooperation anyone?
If someone really believe those monks in the Tibet are honest and totally believe in their story of suppression, check this link out for their credit:
http://club.backchina.com/main/viewthread.php?tid=647537&extra=page%3D1
The first picture in the link shows that the tibet monks were changing their clothes to Chinese Public Security force uniform to fake suppression shows to cheat the world. Their monk robes were still in hand. Their standing formation, monk’s haircut style (shaved) and white socks all betrayed their real identity. The second picture is real Chinese force, notice the emblem in upper arm, which has been required for Chinese Public security force since 2005.
Just like their master liar Dalai, they are trying to spreading lies about China in such a shameless way.
Please stop sensationalising things John Kennedy. If you had bothered to click the “about this site” link on “http://anti-cnn.com/”, the chinese webmaster explictly said - About This Site -
This website is established to expose the lies and distorted facts in the western media. The site is maintained by the individual volunteers, who are not associated with the businesses or government officials.
We are not against the western media, but against the lies and fabricated stories in the media.
We are not against the western people, but against the prejudice from the western society.
Kindly also refer to this thread - “http://www.anti-cnn.com/forum/cn/thread-30-1-1.html”
Chinese bloggers engaging in war-mongering? I think not. It’s plainly more like a knee-jerk reaction in a long line of false reporting from the western media for over a decade. This one just takes the cake.
The only war-mongering I’m seeing is from those interesting in starting a war. Perhaps, like yourself John kennedy? It’s no secret, America yearns for those days back again. Let’s also face it, with the exception of Russia, pretty much everyone else hates china. Talk about bias, no?
I won’t be surprised if the comment gets filtered out there.
Ya Ya, let’s not blame the lowly Communist Chinese. No, No. We should simply place the entire blame on the United Nations hypocracy and kow towing to the CCP. http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=C0058CAB-F932-4EB8-B2C1-2C8CABB01F53
Let’s argue on topics, not fighting
Please refer to the post from a westerner.
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I am a westerner.
I want to tell you all that not all Western people are ignorant. I am from the UK and I am appalled at the bias of the Western media. I expect it from FOX or Sky News but not from supposedly “impartial” news agencies like the BBC and CNN. Tibetans are murdering innocent Chinese people just because they live there, yet there are still pro-Tibet demonstrations in western cities. It seems that they are FOR murder? And then the Chinese police arrive and try to stop the riots, get rocks thrown at them, some badly injured or killed, and the Western media says it is a “brutal crackdown”? Tell me, what would happen if riots like this happened in the USA? Oh wait, it DID happen, the 1992 Los Angeles riots are one. AND the 1999 WTO riots in Seattle. And did the police come in riot gear and start shooting tear gas and rubber bullets? YES. And was this called a brutal crackdown? NO. We have a word for them: hypocrites. And they moan about human rights. Yet even now the people who are native to the American continent - Native Americans - are a minority. Their culture has been destroyed and they were herded like sheep into reservations. The USA invaded Iraq because God told George Bush to get more oil, and now look, millions of INNOCENT Iraqi people have been killed. Also the British Empire had millions of slaves and “colonised” (invaded) countries. What’s funny is that there are people waving around Tibetan flags in London but they don’t even know the whole story. They are ignorant, they think what they are doing is right but of course they don’t know the truth of some Tibetan’s disgusting actions because of the bias in the media. So I hope that Chinese people don’t think all Westerners are ignorant or arrogant. Some of us actually have a brain to think, and eyes to see what is really happening.
i am not surprised to see how the westerners reacting to this event, they have been taught through out the history that communists are evil and people from those nations are low-educated, red(commuinised) and stupid. or simply put it, victims of communist propaganda.they all think most Chinese living in China have been brainwashed by the communists.
i can tell you, this is simply not true. i know what is going on, i have seen all sides of the event, violent crackdown, could be true, violent tibetans, absolutely true. becos they are frustrated about not being able to expel the Chinese, since the tibeten rail opened, they felt even more frustrated, so they planned series of riots hoping to bring down the olympics, so that the CCP would negotiate with them.
finally, i wanna remind the westerners abroad, it is not just tibeten people are without freedom in China, so are the Chinese people themselves. there have been series of chinese protests against the CCP last year becos of land use, i dun see any westerners abroad barking free chinese, give back their land.
they never concern about chinese being abused and tortured in china, i told one westerner, we are human too.
lmfao, the westerner said to me that Tibetans are more human than Chinese. is this racism? SIGH
List of western mistakes and crimes is not an evidence against the Chinese crimes in Tibet!
Remember: the CNN mistakes combined with aggressive communist propaganda and secrecy will not deceive people about the criminal policy of the Chinese communists in the occupied Tibet! Too many proved facts.
From Russia with love,
Alex
“List of western mistakes and crimes is not an evidence against the Chinese crimes in Tibet!”
This is very true, we need evidence to prove that the Chinese did not commit crimes in Tibet. But before we do that, don’t you need some evidence of Chinese crack-down on Tibetans first? Where is the picture of a Chinese police beating on a helpless monk? Where is the picture of the Chinese military shooting at the innocent protesters? According to the Free Tibetan movement there are over 100 protesters dead. OVER 100! Are you to tell me that not one single person sympathetic to the Tibetans had a camera phone with them as they claimed that the Chinese military shot at them? How the hell do you organize your protests without pre-paid cellphones! There are already many Youtube videos of Tibetans assaulting ethnic Hans, but I have yet to find one single video showing the ‘brutal crack-down’ which the western media has been talking about.
I have tried hard, shifting through tibet.org, savetibet.org, and freetibet.org (the top 3 matches for free tibet on google). The closest evidence of this ‘brutal crackdown’ is from freetibet.org, where there are about half dozen of pictures of corpses with bullet holes. There are no date, no name, and no mention of how or why they were shot, presumably by the Chinese police. Is this the best “evidence” of a bloody crackdown where so many people have died? I was hoping that the “west” would of learned a thing or two about what to believe after so many people were mislead over Iraq’s WMDs.
Jotman’s investigative report concerning evidence that the March riots in Lhasa Tibet may have been staged by Chinese soldiers:
http://jotman.blogspot.com/2008/03/what-is-story-behind-this-remarkable.html
[…] well known by now that Chinese cyberspace for the past several days has been seething with anger against CNN and most Western media for what many Chinese netizens feel is blatant […]
“Jotman’s investigative report concerning evidence that the March riots in Lhasa Tibet may have been staged by Chinese soldiers”
LOL. this is getting very disgusting, it is easy, isn’t it? it is so easy to make the world believe since that lama are always portraited as peace makers, but the chinese are evil rulers.
how lovely.
Hi liar Jotman, the trouble maker!
I had the greatest interest to watch your ‘funtastic’ photo, only 1, and find out that the picture you posted is as foolish as you are!
You want to cheat the world, innocent netizens? Just insult the personality of yourself.
IS IT TRUE? The answer is definite NO. Your photo is 1000% unbelievable! Why?
Is it possible to pose as monks on the public, on the street, and let everybody, including those foreigners still in Lhasa, know the soldiers are acting as monk? It’s a common knowledge that the troops should do this in their military camp secretly if they really want to.
By the way, the soldiers suits are summer uniform.
More over, is it reasonalbe to make riots by Chinese soldiers, by the government? Government hopes everywhere in China is calm and peaceful during the year of 2008.
Is the Chinese government foolish enough, as you are, that China prefer the blame from the world by soldiers’ doing so?
About human rights. When ‘those’ beated the innocent Han Chinese and Muslim Chinese to hurt and death, and burned their houses, why no blame on the ‘those’, why no words of human rights for these Han and Muslim Chinese. When Tibetans were ‘reported’ killed by soldiers, no evidence yet shown, the news is disclosed immediately by the western sources. Is that the human rights from the West? or it is the dual standard of human rights in your heart?
Remember, no more insult world people’s thought! We need peace in the world, FREE our mind, no more squeeze the fake news to our eyes, our mind.
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March 31st, 2008 at 21:31 pm Jotman:
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Jotman’s investigative report concerning evidence that the March riots in Lhasa Tibet may have been staged by Chinese soldiers:
http://jotman.blogspot.com/2008/03/what-is-story-behind-this-remarkable.html
Dear Understand:
You wrote, “Hi liar Jotman, the trouble maker! . . . your ‘funtastic’ photo, only 1 . . . the picture you posted is as foolish as you are! You want to cheat the world, innocent netizens? . . . Your photo is 1000% unbelievable!” etc., etc.
Let’s please relax. The photo in question is not my own. I was simply investigating how it had been interpreted by bloggers on both sides of the issue. I never claimed it was authentic. Nor do I claim to know which side is responsible for the “reappearance” of this old photo.
If I may quote a reply to a similar comment someone left on my own blog concerning a comment quite similar to your own comment above:
“I share your frustration toward the false but wide spread biased view against China on the Tibet issue. But I think many are simply misled. And I don’t think Jotman knew the picture was from 2003. That’s why I went to collect the evidence. All arguments need to be supported by logic and evidence. Let’s be cool-headed and make the world understand China better in a constructive way. Besides, greater power comes with greater burden. We should all be prepared for more international criticisms, justified or not, as China emerges in the political stage of the world.”
While I have yet to be convinced that recent accusations of “bias” in the Western media concerning Tibet are justified by the evidence — I otherwise agree with the above statement.
I want to inform all the pro-protest people.
This is Chinese own affair, it is none of your business. Please mind your own business.
I do think your country will be separated in near future.
Haha, so called pro-Dalai people. You are so foolish. You even do not know the Dalai has cheated you.
Rubbish
Hi, Jotman
Sorry for my mistake on you yourself.
I’ve searched from the Chinese webs, and it is said that the photo:
1. absolutely not the right time during March in Lhasa ’cause of the wearing of the soldiers, especially the wearing of the nearby passing-by lookers.
2. somebody on the web says this photo might be taken for a movie shooting and asked soldiers to do as the appointed actors in order to give the audience the great show in the film. This is often happened in China for those history movies.
3. somebody said that the photo was modified by photoshop 7.0 version (PS). Haha, it is pointed out for the low-level modification by PS.
Anyway, it’s insane to be taken to the public and even be taken to the press at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of China for clarification. Why not check by media themselves and find out if the season is good for wearing like this!
Dalai cliques are planning to make more ‘effects’ in Hong Kong during early May.
I do think the continouse fake photos (not videos cause the media is not capable of giving the real, live videos) will follow until the Olympic Torch returns to the mainland China.
I’m a Chinese. I hope to inform you something.(I’ve never been to the U.S., so my English is indeed limited. I’ll try to make my points clear.)
If you think all Chinese are so-called brain-washed, I could do nothing but sigh. The fact is the freedom of speech is now spreading rapidly across China-on many blogs, forums, and famous websites you can blame, or even vituperate the CCP’s red-tape, rubber stamp way, corruption, efficiency, etc. And Chinese are now more active to talk about politics. Those were impossible even a decade ago. And we never really fully believe what the media, which are less consered now, says for we know that media serves politics.
So do the ones in the West.
Long time have CNN, BBC, and others reported negatively on China. Personally, I think criticism would help improve our social systems and methods to solve problems. In this, many Chinese stand with me-we accept your criticism for we know we’ve got so many shortcomings and even human rights disasters. But when criticism turns into biased and vicious calumniation, we won’t swallow our anger, hence http://www.anti-CNN.com.
If you are not a no-brainer as those who manipulate those dishonest reports, think about the following:
1.2008 is the year for Beijing Olympics, so will the Chinese government stupid enough to crackdown violently and therefore “won” worldwide boycott against Beijing Olympics?
2.Those pictures about the riots are mostly about the Tibetan’s violence against Han Chinese and Hui Chinese, burning the shops, and throwing stones to the vehicles. And those images, in which police hit monks, are all mismatched-they are Nepal police or army (Chinese military is in green, while Nepal’s is blue. So, you should ask why those Western media use wrong images. To mislead, of course.)
Jotman,
Your doubt of the Canadian tourist Kadfly and his photos is curious to say the least. Confirmation bias may push you to believe the Epoch Times analysis, however there is a good reason why the likes of AP, NYT, WSJ have never collaborated with any story from Epoch Times. You are trying to prove Chinese propaganda by using another propaganda piece (The US Congressional report found that the news paper was founded by Falun Gong, though the paper denies it). As a journalist-wannabe I would of hoped that you can get better evidence than that. Using propaganda to prove another piece of propaganda is a futile exercise, because there is no credibility to believe either side. Just because you want to believe something doesn’t mean that you should. This is how most Americans were tricked into believing that Iraq had WMDs.
Onto your analysis, it could very well be that Epoch Times doctored the Kadfly’s original photo by digitally removing the Knife wielding Tibetan and then added some smoke. Since the photos are identical except for one man, someone obviously has been editing. Could it be Kadfly the Canadian, or the folks from Falun Gong? Ask yourself objectively now, whom would you rather believe?
Regarding your analysis of the Han bike rider beaten in the video, you have been asking “How do you know he is a Han”? A better question would be: “How do you know he wasn’t?” Why would a bunch of ethnic Tibetans gather up on someone for no apparent reason during a race riot? There were plenty of other witness accounts from western tourists other than Kadfly that Tibetans were targeting Hans with violence. If you were there at the time, wouldn’t you make the same conclusion as Kadfly and most others did?
Lastly, you pointed out that an observer (Economist journalist)’s claim that the Chinese police didn’t do anything during the riot. The reason for this is crystal clear: There were Western media around and the police didn’t want to risk anything without orders from the above. Had a Chinese police done anything, such as wielding their batons onto the bald forehead of one of the monks, the western media would of taken that precious picture and the likes of CNN would of gotten a genuine picture of police “brutally attacking the protesters”. The police in the picture would surely be fired or severely disciplined.
I doubt you will reply to me anytime soon because I don’t think you have any better evidences or answers. In the main time, can you help me find ONE SINGLE photo or video of Chinese police beating or shooting at the protesters during this riot? According to Tibetan eye-witnesses from the likes of freetibet.org, police where shooting at monks in front of at least a few hundred people. You do believe this or at least would like to believe this don’t you?
Reading many comments from those defending what should be blatant anti-China bias from the western media, the underlying premise is always: Chinese netizens are a bunch of brainwashed nationalistic idiots, they would believe whatever their government tells them. Therefor, we should ignore whatever they complain about because they are too stupid to think for themselves.
This type of thinly veiled racism is not only found in the posts here by your average journalist-wannabes or Sinophobes, but also in articles by fairly respected authors from the likes of the BBC. As a Chinese I have to wonder, what do we have to to prove that we are capable of independent thinking?
A recent WallStreet Journal article on Chinese Nationalism revealed that “It’s not hard to find a Chinese person who expresses a “nationalist” view — that Tibet is part of China, or that the Western media is biased — but is also a vehement critic of the Communist Party.”
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120701186550979029.html
Rather than treating Chinese netiziens with the usual dismissive contempt and disdain, it may help the Sinophobes and Tibetophiles to view both Chinese and Tibetans as 3 dimensional characters rather than brainwashed peons on different sides.
Good points, mychinesefriend. Thanks for taking the time and energy to keep this conversation going (and the same to everyone here except that guy who assumes I’m a war-addicted American).
Aside from racism, what do you think the reason is that so many non-Chinese language mainstream media kept (and judging from a browse through anti-cnn.com’s forums today, continue to make) making the same mistake, assuming the Tibetans were the primary targets of violence, and then having trouble portraying the story any other way? I keep seeing report after report where first the Beijing death toll gets dismissed, then the Dharmasala number (100+) gets quoted with little or no mention of who the clear victims were beginning two weeks ago.
I have another question too: say there was this guy you sort of know, but who usually keeps to himself and you’ve never made much effort to talk to. One day you see him running through the streets screaming his head off telling everybody that their pant flies are undone (走光了). The first thing you and everyone else on the street sees, though, is that he’s not even wearing underwear…
For the English-speaking world, CNN is still for the most part the best at what they do. Definitely not to say there doesn’t exist huge problems within the organization. But criticising it isn’t usually going to hurt most people’s (national) pride, in fact when all the screaming stops and people have a chance to look back on how Tibet is being covered right now compared to the actual situation, the conclusions might be entirely different. CNN is still a commercial, government-independent organisation. For me, why should I listen to someone who sees no problem with Xinhua or CCTV reporting standards (which one could say are plagued by their country’s officials’ lies), but screams boiling blood and fury at me for the ignorant mistakes made by a commercially successful, industry-pioneering tv network? Surely those people aren’t calling for CNN to be nationalised..
Dear chinese friend:
“Your doubt of the Canadian tourist Kadfly and his photos is curious to say the least.”
Why curious? His photo is the epicenter of an international controversy.
“Confirmation bias may push you to believe the Epoch Times analysis. . . ”
It’s not about the Epoch Times anymore. The Dalai Lama now backs the story.
“. . . .Ask yourself objectively now, whom would you rather believe?”
I don’t want to be forced into having to “believe” anyone. I just want to know more about what happened. What’s wrong with that?
“Regarding your analysis of the Han bike rider beaten in the video, you have been asking “How do you know he is a Han”? A better question would be: “How do you know he wasn’t?” Why would a bunch of ethnic Tibetans gather up on someone for no apparent reason during a race riot?”
Beats me. I don’t have the answers for you. Let’s see if we can get the guy who took the video to explain more, that’s my suggestion. The video may very well show what we have been led to assume it does, but some doubts have been raised that could be examined. So let’s find out what we can.
“There were plenty of other witness accounts from western tourists other than Kadfly that Tibetans were targeting Hans with violence. If you were there at the time, wouldn’t you make the same conclusion as Kadfly and most others did?”
Perhaps. Anyway, let’s find out if there is anything more to the story. Maybe there isn’t. I’m not saying anyone is right or wrong! I say, let’s get the answers.
“I doubt you will reply to me anytime soon because I don’t think you have any better evidences or answers.”
Thanks a million.
[…] the same time the issue has (been) escalated into what John Kennedy from Global Voices Online aptly calls a “ruthless propaganda battle” and what Rebecca MacKinnon has dubbed “the Tibet information […]
I find it fascinating that when we talk smack about Tibet, may it be cropped photo, incorrect attribution, unverified claims, self-righteous indignation, double standards on each’s colonial tendencies…
It is not “ruthless propaganda battle” or “information war” when we do it, but it certainly is so when the other side calls our BS.
As to the question why western media have trouble portraying the story “any other way”, at least for American media I will suggest “projection” - our guilty feeling about what we have done and is doing right now, to the Native Americans convinces us that’s exactely what the Chinese are doing to the Tibeteans.
the reality of riot in tibet is clear.
regarding some western leaders such as Sucozi , the british prince Charels,the germany chancellor morkel,etc. had said they will not take part in the game’s open sitting to boycott the game.my god!we chinese do not welcome Sukozi ,charles ,morkol etc. come to china,and we have no seats for them!
西藏暴乱的真相已经清楚，西方媒体制造的关于西藏的假新闻也已经被戳穿。
听说法国萨科奇总统、英国查尔斯王子、德国的默克尔总理因为西藏的事情以取消出席北京奥运会来抗议中国。天啊！他们也是不知道真相啊！他们当然希望中国发生内乱啊，乱的以不是他们的国家！我们要严正地说，我们不欢迎这些带有偏见的人来中国参加开幕式，不能给他们留位子！
[…] regime in searching for “suspects” in the demonstrations. The vast majority of Chinese bloggers supported the crackdown but an international poll found many global citizens were critical of Chinese policies towards […]
Guys, stop complaining and abusing freedon of speech. Take actions that will do the job. At least, educate your foreign friends with fact and real history so that they will have better understanding of Chinese and the country. I found the following on the web and hope you will like it and agree with me on how to positively influrance the people in the world. Good luck.
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historical facts about Tibet, all from westerners. Read yourself.
“In the Dalai Lama’s Tibet, torture and mutilation — including eye gouging, the pulling out of tongues, hamstringing, and amputation of arms and legs — were favored punishments inflicted upon thieves, runaway serfs, and other “criminals.”
Journeying through Tibet in the 1960s, Stuart and Roma Gelder interviewed a former serf, Tsereh Wang Tuei, who had stolen two sheep belonging to a monastery. For this he had both his eyes gouged out and his hand mutilated beyond use. He explains that he no longer is a Buddhist: “When a holy lama told them to blind me I thought there was no good in religion.”
Some Western visitors to Old Tibet remarked on the number of amputees to be seen. Since it was against Buddhist teachings to take human life, some offenders were severely lashed and then “left to God” in the freezing night to die. “The parallels between Tibet and medieval Europe are striking,” concludes Tom Grunfeld in his book on Tibet.
To those who say “Tibet is, was, and always be a part of China”, might I suggest researching more “objective” historical accounts of the region than the “official” history given by the Chinese government. You may be surprised by what you find. Nowhere does it say that Tibet was an integral part of China (until of course the Chinese military occupied the region in the mid-20th century). Patriotism for the motherland is one thing, but regurgitating the official, distorted history of Tibet as described by the Chinese government is sickening.
And forget about Western bias on the issue - just ask the Tibetan people how they view their fate.
Dear John Di Stefano,
Thanks your comments.
1. No need to argue whether or not Tibet is a part of China. You may ask your government if your country recognizes Tibet as one part of China and better ask your country government discloses its announcement as you think. Diplomatic recognition is the official one.
Can you list the name of countries that so now has the diplomatic relations with Tibet, the “country” you call it? When you think you can be the president of your country, try your best to achieve your goal. Then you will be the 1st one in the world that has the recognition.
2. your suggestion for searching objective China History is good. In fact, the Chinese netizens did checked this, especially through US, UK and even the exile DL nets for consideration.
The disputes you may have is around early 20th century. Let me tell you. When the last emperor of Qing collapsed, all the provinces including Tibet, and Mongol announced their independence. The key point is this independence was different from what you westerners think. This independence means “no longer in control of the Empire of Qing (Ching)”. If you can’t agree to this point, I don’t think I could go on this topic.
ROC (Republic of China) was the first republic in China in early 1910s that everybody doubted on how long it could exits.
Since then, the country was involved in civil war for decades and left a chance for Tibet to maintain its own power. It must be your key point to say that Tibet was no longer a part of China since then. But please remember, try your best to check all the maps printed worldwide at that time if there was an independent country called Tibet? The answer is no. All the countries in the world regarded this period of China Civil War, like US North-South Civil War (can you say South US must be a country since it announced its independence? Certainly not! Otherwise, you may declare to media that in fact South US should be an independent country. What would happen to you? I don’t know. Extend your imagination).
Therefore, after the mainland announced the new China (PRC), different from ROC which was driven to Taiwan in 1949, they finally had a chance to settle its internal affairs. This is what you said the invasion of Tibet.
Needless to say anything about the history of China before 20th century, you may search ‘Mongol Empire’ (Yuan Dynasty) from National Geographic and find the maps in detail about China’s territory at that time. That is why the Chinese government mentioned its sovereignty since Yuan.
Finally, nice to find a westerner’s interested in China history. Comparing ROC history and PRC history and maps, you will find more.
Kind regards.
Terry
John Di Stefano,
according to your suggestion for seeking more ‘objective’ sources, I searched again today. Now give you a typical CIA’s The World Factbook of USA official website, I can’t find any country called Tibet, even a region/area! I tried to search China. It’s a pity to find the region of Tibet is in the territory of China, and also the data is updated 20March2008. The link here -
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ch.html
When searching ‘BBC country Tibet’ just now, and find the link http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/country_profiles/4152353.stm
BBC, the semi-official broadcast station, says ‘Tibet, the remote and mainly-Buddhist territory known as the “roof of the world”, is governed as an autonomous region of China’. But in the bottom of its overview, I found one word ‘country’ - Tibet’s economy depends largely on agriculture. Forests and grasslands occupy large parts of the country.
From other media? No, most commercial media could say anything as they like, they are not in the position of a country. I can find plenty of articles blaming on China’s ‘invasion’ of Tibet from those media. Well, no problem, they have to attract audience’s eyes to earn the money. For justice? No way. There is no justice at all if they can’t enter into the heart of the ethnic Tibetans.
Sorry for the searching.
Regards.
All Chinese (mainland and abroad combined about 2 billions in number) will boycott CNN and BBC channels. We will also boycott any countries that threaten to boycott the 2008 Olympics, we will NOT go visit those countries when it’s their turn to hold the Olympics!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Also do NOT blame the Tibetans civilians too harshly, that will just drive them away. Most of them are innocent! It’s the western countries and Dalai Lama who fool the Tibetans and the world. The WEST try unsuccessfully to split up China. They are jealous, because China is slowly becoming a powerful country!!!!
We must resent the WEST who try to cause the conflict!!!!
Our Chinese faces have been slapped and slapped again by the West, especially by the United States, and we swallowed the pain!
It’s time to stand up and fight for our Chinese dignities!!!!
Global unification of the Chinese to stand up and fight for our dignities, and our 2008 Olympic games!!!!!
John Kennedy,
The answer to both of your questions has to do with the perceived hypocrisy that if a country does not have free media, then its citizens cannot criticize the media mistakes made else where.
Now that is plain silly don’t you think? If I am not wearing pants and I am ashamed of it, then I should thank the person for telling me that I am not wearing pants. The fact that the other person is not wearing pants matters little to me. It could be that he doesn’t mind being naked but I do.
The Chinese media never claims to be “fair and balanced”, nor do most Chinese people think the media would never lie to them. The Western media on the other hand claims to be free of bias, censorship, and prides itself on self-corrections so that its reporting is “accurate”. Why should it matter even one bit who is trying to correct the mistakes which Western media has made? The fact that you have been dismissive of the likes of anti-cnn is counter product towards your own goal that you would like to see accurate reporting. Without the folks at anti-CNN you wouldn’t even know the mistakes which the Western media has made. If you value accuracy in reporting, you should be THANKFUL of anti-CNN for correcting the mistakes which the editors at famed western media outlets were too lazy/incompetent/biased to spot.
Sinophobe John Di Stanino wrote :
“Patriotism for the motherland is one thing, but regurgitating the official, distorted history of Tibet as described by the Chinese government is sickening.”
What exactly have been distorted here? Tibet was a part of China, it went autonomous for a while, and after 1950s it became part of China again after the current Dalai Lama became part of a failed CIA operation which cost tens of thousands of Tibetan lives in an armed conflict. These are plain facts.
Are you upset at the reasoning behind Tibet’s “liberation”? The whole “Tibet was a theocratic slavery state” bit? Simply ask yourself is this true or not. If this is the truth then what’s wrong with repeating the truth?
The problem with China-bashers such as yourself is that you are living in denial. You cannot accept the most basic facts which are represented to you. You want to continue to believing in your Shangri-la with all of the goodies and none of the faults. Instead of representing evidence against what was presented to you, you focus your anger on the messengers and dismiss anything they have said as “propaganda”. It’s obvious that you are not seeking for the truth, but for anything which would continue to validate your rather ignorant/naive political beliefs. How are you any different than the “brainwashed” peons which you are targeting?
Dear John Di Stefano,
You are right, China has the tendency of claiming disputed territories as their own.
Recent Example - Arunachal Pradesh in India.
Taiwan.
May be Japan some day.
Plundering Africa, stealing military secrets are their new found strenghths.
Olympics in China is a big shame for the world.
Following Ashi’s comments on Arunacha and Tibet, Please refer to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McMahon_Line
Read the whole story, here is part of the article:
Early British efforts to create a boundary in this sector were triggered by their discovery in the mid-19th century that Tawang, an important trading town, was Tibetan territory. In 1873, the British-run Government of India drew an “Outer Line,” intended as an international boundary.[3] This line follows the alignment of the Himalayan foothills, now the southern boundary of Arunachal Pradesh. Britain concluded treaties with Beijing concerning Tibet’s boundaries with Burma[4] and Sikkim[5]. However, Tibet refused to recognize the boundaries drawn by these treaties[citation needed]. British forces led by Sir Francis Younghusband invaded Tibet in 1904 and imposed a treaty on the Tibetans.[6][7] In 1907, Britain and Russia agreed that in “conformity with the admitted principle of the suzerainty of China over Tibet”[8] both nations “engage not to enter into negotiations with Tibet except through the intermediary of the Chinese Government.”[8] Sovereignty rather than suzerainty is also disputed.
British interest in the borderlands was renewed when the Qing government sent military forces to establish Chinese administration in Tibet (1910-12). A British military expedition was sent into what is now Arunachal Pradesh and the North East Frontier Tract was created to administer the area (1912). In 1912-13, this agency reached agreements with the tribal leaders who ruled the bulk of the region. The Outer Line was moved north, but Tawang was left as Tibetan territory. After the fall of the Qing dynasty in China, Tibet expelled Chinese forces and declared itself independent (1913).[9] In 1913, British convoked a conference at Simla, India to discuss the issue of Tibet’s status.[10] The conference was attended by representatives of Britain, China, and Tibet. It drew up an agreement which divided Tibet into “Outer Tibet,” under the administration of the Dalai Lama’s government, and “Inner Tibet,” where Lhasa would have religious authority only. Both areas were considered to be under Chinese “suzerainty.”[11] A suzerain is a state which has certain authority over a dependent state. All three representatives initialed the agreement in April 1914.[3] Beijing objected to the proposed boundary between Inner and Outer Tibet and repudiated both the agreement and the initialing by its delegate.
Ashi, and all netizens, also open the map at that time, and find where is the Arunacha? It’s in the Qing Dynasty of China (Tibetan area)!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:IGI_british_indian_empire1909reduced.jpg
Don’t fool me, don’t fool netizens here!
That’s why I said with anger to Ashi’s saying. He’s insane.
The Riots in Lhasa
by Eirik Granqvist， a foreign expert in Shanghai who visited Tibet in 2006
The western medias announced that China had cut all information and that articles about the riots could not be sent out! I got mad about all the apparently incorrect information and wrote this article and two other similar ones although I am not a journalist but just because I could not stand all the bad things about China that was told. I sent them by e-mail without problems and they arrived well but two newspapers did neither respond neither publish what I had written. The third answered and wanted a shorter version that was published many days later as a normal readers voice . What Dalai Lama had said was largely published every day together with a real anti-China propaganda. What I had written was apparently too China friendly for the free press .
I was very shocked by what I had seen in the television and been reading in China daily about the riots in Lhasa. The most that shocked me was anyhow may be not the cruel events by themselves but how the medias in my country of origin， Finland， reported the events. A friend has scanned and sent me articles and I have checked also myself what can be found at Internet.
Very few Finnish people have ever visited Tibet， but I was there together with my wife in 2006. This was private persons and not as a part of a group-travel. I have seen Lhasa with my own eyes. I have been talking and chatting with people there. This was without any restrictions. Okay， we had a lovely and very competent guide that helped us much and took us where we wanted to go in the mornings but in the afternoons we were alone. Therefore I think that I have something to tell.
I am also interested in history and know more than people in general. When writing this，